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    Did anyone realize that the principal said the word "gun" in the school? Is he going to be suspended too?

    I'm glad I work in a school system in PA... shoot, I use firearms as examples in my lessons when I teach about projectile motion, recoil, momentum, and energy.

    This kind of crap burns me up, because it does give teachers and educational systems that do things right a bad name.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wolf_fire View Post
    Did anyone realize that the principal said the word "gun" in the school? Is he going to be suspended too?

    I'm glad I work in a school system in PA... shoot, I use firearms as examples in my lessons when I teach about projectile motion, recoil, momentum, and energy.

    This kind of crap burns me up, because it does give teachers and educational systems that do things right a bad name.
    There shouldn't be "Zero Tolerance" in school, there is no such thing in the real world. Theres always the exception to the rule. Just the way it is.
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    I believe this happens because we allow it to happen. Try this...
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    Kid says "gun" and the school detains him, calls the police, doesn't notify you. As soon as you find out you go grab your kid right out of the interrogation. You do not allow anyone in your home and you do not complete a four-page form. The family has the right to remain silent... the very basis of our legal system. No law was violated here. The family is entitled to due process under the law. The family is entitled to constitutional protection against illegal search. If there are no convictions there can be no consequences. If the school won't let the child back you immediately sue the district for violating the child's right to an education under state law. Hire a tutor and claim the costs as consequential or compensatory damages. If EVERYONE would do this the insane behavior becomes quite unaffordable for educators. PUSH THE SYSTEM TO ITS BREAKING POINT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BC1 View Post
    I believe this happens because we allow it to happen. Try this...
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    Kid says "gun" and the school detains him, calls the police, doesn't notify you. As soon as you find out you go grab your kid right out of the interrogation. You do not allow anyone in your home and you do not complete a four-page form. The family has the right to remain silent... the very basis of our legal system. No law was violated here. The family is entitled to due process under the law. The family is entitled to constitutional protection against illegal search. If there are no convictions there can be no consequences. If the school won't let the child back you immediately sue the district for violating the child's right to an education under state law. If EVERYONE would do this the insane behavior becomes quite unaffordable for educators. PUSH THE SYSTEM TO ITS BREAKING POINT.
    They're trying to put the cart before the horse. Get the family to fill out the form even though they know very well no laws were broken. Then hold the family accountable for what information they include in the form.

  7. Boy Suspended For Merely Saying 'Gun'

    Quote Originally Posted by JCliff View Post
    Expect more and more of this stuff folks. Glad Mr. Henkelman recovered his wits and told the sheriff's deputy to leave. I would not have allowed him in without a warrant. I also would not have answered the "four-page questionnaire," and would have hired a lawyer to bring suit against the school district if they didn't allow my son back in. Easy for me to say though. Lawyers are 'effin' expensive, and family fiscal reality may make that option untenable.
    I'd like to think that my town wouldn't have anything like this happen, but who knows how soon that'll change. The school administration that's there now is still the same when I left and the majority of the town is a pro-gun crowd. But had this have happened in my town, and had I have been that deputy, I couldn't have done the search myself. So probably in order to keep his 4th and 2nd amendments intact, and to keep my superiors (or whoever told him to search the house) happy, I would have driven to his house, knocked on his door and said "Mr. Henkelman, between you and me, I thoroughly searched your entire house and found absolutely nothing of concern. As far as that 4-page document goes, I would just write whatever answers will make the school happy and let your son back in school. Have a blessed day." And that would be the extent of my 4th amendment intrusion.


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    I have absolutely no doubt what I would have done. I would have invited the deputy watch me burn the questions. Then ordered him off my property. Next I would have called my atty. If I needed funding I would call the NRA regarding the suspension. No way that rule survives a freedom of speech challenge. AND the school bus is not in the school. All else failing my kid gets the 10 day suspension.

    NO way, absolutely NO WAY I would go along with that intrusion!

    Time to organize folks if this happens in your town
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    Exactly what I would expect from Maryland. When I lived in PA, we would drive 90 miles west to go south and avoid going through Maryland to get to Virginia to fish and hunt. Even back then it was a despicable state run by left wing nut jobs.

    The father needs a lawyer to sue the school and the Sheriff for violating the kids 1A just for starters. Unfortunately the court system in Maryland is a s screwed up as the schools and law enforcement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gejoslin View Post
    [B]Henkelman told Fox News that his son was interrogated by the principal and a deputy sheriff – without their knowledge or permission.
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    Since the incident happened a day before winter break, the principal reduced the suspension to one day. But the family was ordered to complete an ‘intrusive’ four page questionnaire and the deputy sheriff said he would have to search their home --- without a warrant.
    Teach your kids about the right to remain silent in the face of pressure. Don't answer no matter how much they threaten. The child needs to continuously repeat "I want my parents, NOW!"
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    Regarding the questionnaire? Here's your toilet paper. Regarding the search? Get the f--- off my property unless you have a warrant.
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    People need to start suing school districts when rights are violated and when kids are suspended without cause. Those kids are being denied their education as provided by law.
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