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    FFL's keep the 4473, in addition to entering the information in their Bound Book. The ATF can inspect the Bound Book, and request a copy of the 4473 during a criminal investigation.

    The FFL must retain them for 20 years, and if the dealer goes out of business, the forms are then forwarded to the ATF.

    Of course in that time frame, how many times has a gun been sold legally in individual transfers? I purchased a handgun from an individual, and I am the one that kept the bill of sale, so where is the trail? There isn't one.
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  3. I believe in AR your CHCL info is sent to county sheriffs. Also the ASP administers the license, so it is in their computer records. Come to think of it, that information is probably accessible to any branch of LE in Arkansas, during a stop. I don't know if they know the brand/caliber of weapon you carry, however, but in this socialist, dictatorial criminal administration, nothing would surprise me, if they did, by illegal 4473 culling from a store.

    My brother works at wally-world, and the ATF downloads digital 4473 information to jump drives there, and all he may do is look-on as owners' constitutional rights are bastardized, "We only came after 5 records. Damn! How did the search for data jump 2 decimal places! Must be a defective jump drive, we'll sort it out back at the office..."

    "We'll be back for cash office receipts and surveillance video, as soon as we get this jump drive fixed..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by XD40scinNC View Post
    For the safety of all responding agencies, police, fire, and EMS, a call history for the address comes up in the CAD (Computer Aided Dispatch) and can be relayed to the responding agency if appropriate. Everything from nuisance calls to serious threats.
    Exactly what I'm talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shirtz1 View Post
    Suggestion, NEVER on web sites etc mention anything re type, brand or any other evidence that could be seen by thousands and stored in Utah digital storage facility. I don't have any g u ns, they were all lost in a tragic boating accident last summer.
    The 4473 for an FFL sale should be your first clue that government is tracking your firearms. Sure the 4473 doesn't say what or if anything was bought but the FFL is required to keep a registry of all sales...just ask one where they log in the gun sales. You can look up the guide lines that an FFL is required to follow at the BATF website. I have read them! If you did not make a straw purchase and have not sold the gun in a private sale...guess what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by XD40scinNC View Post
    FFL's keep the 4473, in addition to entering the information in their Bound Book. The ATF can inspect the Bound Book, and request a copy of the 4473 during a criminal investigation.

    The FFL must retain them for 20 years, and if the dealer goes out of business, the forms are then forwarded to the ATF.

    Of course in that time frame, how many times has a gun been sold legally in individual transfers? I purchased a handgun from an individual, and I am the one that kept the bill of sale, so where is the trail? There isn't one.
    A prudent seller of a gun might just remember who he sold the gun to so when the cops ask to see that particular gun he sold he can say "See that little white house across the street? That guy bought it"

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    Quote Originally Posted by shirtz1 View Post
    Suggestion, NEVER on web sites etc mention anything re type, brand or any other evidence that could be seen by thousands and stored in Utah digital storage facility. I don't have any g u ns, they were all lost in a tragic boating accident last summer.
    Hilarious!

    Yep, I had terrible bicycle wreck, was moving to California and lost all my belongings. They slowly fell off the rented trailer I was pulling and no longer own any B b g u n s or kitchen k n i v e s. When I realized I had left the door open on the trailer and had slowly let all my belongings fall out on my trek to Sand Fran Siscoooooo I stopped to report it and someone took my bike. So I arrived finally penniless and broke. Hope the government captured THOSE keystrokes and that MY pile of papers is closer to the moon side of the stack than on this end, in case they lose power out there in Utah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimTh View Post
    The 4473 for an FFL sale should be your first clue that government is tracking your firearms. Sure the 4473 doesn't say what or if anything was bought but the FFL is required to keep a registry of all sales...just ask one where they log in the gun sales. You can look up the guide lines that an FFL is required to follow at the BATF website. I have read them! If you did not make a straw purchase and have not sold the gun in a private sale...guess what?
    You are under the wrong impression if you don't think the gun info is on the Form 4473. Here's a link directly to it in pdf format. http://www.atf.gov/files/forms/downl...f-f-4473-1.pdf
    Go to page 3, Section D, Blocks 26 to 30. That is where the gun or receiver info is written. If the bound book shows a transfer out, there had better be a matching Form 4473 unless it went to another FFL. Instructions for Section D:

    Section D
    Immediately prior to transferring the firearm, the seller must complete all of
    the questions in Section D. In addition to completing this form, the seller
    must report any multiple sale or other disposition of pistols or revolver on
    ATF Form 3310.4 (see 27 CFR § 478.126a).
    Question(s) 26, 27, 28, 29 and 30, Firearm(s) Description:
    These blocks
    should be completed with the firearm(s) information. Firearms manufactured
    after 1968 should all be marked with a serial number. Should you acquire a
    firearm that is not marked with a serial number; you may answer question 28
    with “NSN” (No Serial Number), “N/A” or “None.”
    If more than five firearms are involved in a transaction, the information required
    by Section D, questions 26-30,
    must be provided for the
    additional firearms on a
    separate
    sheet of paper, which must be attached to the ATF Form 4473 covering
    the transaction.
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    I've had Washington and/or Oregon CHPs for the past 25-30 years. Over that period of time I've been on the civilian end of traffic stops a few times. I have never had the officer mention my CHP.
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  10. the only way dispatch would have knowledge of his specific guns if they had prior contacts with this subject. At one time they may have taken them on a prior domestic. They may have logged them down and then associated them with this person on their computer, for safety concerns. I do find it odd that they list specific guns, and not just that their are guns in the house.

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    how do the cops know?

    Quote Originally Posted by BC1 View Post
    NYS hasn't linked the DMV with permits so when getting pulled-over, LEO don't have any way to know. There is no duty to inform them either. If executing a warrant they may have obtained the info before coming. The local PD knows about me only because I sponsored many of them at my local club. I give the department range time as well.
    FORM 4473. That yellow sheet that you and the dealer filled out.
    Public records! Not suposed to be but it is.
    Freedom of information act.
    MICHAEL

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