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    ezkl2230 Guest
    I'm waiting to see how this whole thing plays out, but she has already proven one of our points. Even though she has had a number of major screwups already, as has already been pointed out, and while she says she was vindicated by her ability to go to a Starbuck's openly carrying, the fact remains that NOTHING HAPPENED. In spite of her belief that carrying a gun naturally makes someone more likely to pull the trigger, to endanger innocent bystanders, she did neither. She shot no one during her visit to the coffee shop - on purpose or by accident. And that has been one of our arguments all along: those of us who carry legally aren't inherently more dangerous and likely to pull the trigger than anyone else. If anything, carrying makes us more conscious of the potential consequences of our actions; it is no longer just a mental exercise. If she actually takes the time to take a class and to go to the firing range to actually learn how to use her newly-acquired gun (I'm not holding my breath), she just might find herself in the same position as SCOTUS Justice Kagan, whom Justice Scalia has been teaching to shoot and has gone hunting with him on a number of occasions. Kagan has discovered that shooting is a fun activity!

    While I'm not holding my breath, I also know how many times someone setting out to disprove something by participating in the activity has had their mind changed. If she actually makes it the full 30 days, she may find herself with some serious questions about her preconceived notions.

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  3. I think her article serves a valid purpose - exposing how easy it is for any idiot in her state to get a gun and a concealed carry permit with no requirement other than a background check. And I'm positive there's many more like her that do it, carry it, don't get any training, and don't write about it. I for one wouldn't assume most people who buy guns and carry them concealed are at all responsible, intelligent, moral or possess any of the other qualities we like to think they have.

    Here in Florida all I had to do for a concealed carry permit was show I had some accepted training. In my case that was a DD214 showing an honorable discharge some 40+ years ago.

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    Michael

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    Quote Originally Posted by mmn View Post
    I think her article serves a valid purpose - exposing how easy it is for any idiot in her state to get a gun and a concealed carry permit with no requirement other than a background check. And I'm positive there's many more like her that do it, carry it, don't get any training, and don't write about it. I for one wouldn't assume most people who buy guns and carry them concealed are at all responsible, intelligent, moral or possess any of the other qualities we like to think they have.

    Here in Florida all I had to do for a concealed carry permit was show I had some accepted training. In my case that was a DD214 showing an honorable discharge some 40+ years ago.

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    Michael
    With only one chance to make a first impression, you blew your opportunity on that drivel?

    Otherwise, welcome to the forums......I think?

    Blues
    No one has ever heard me say that I "hate" cops, because I don't. This is why I will never trust one again though: You just never know...

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    This is just a failed anti gun gimmick. Reminds me of the documentry "Super Size Me". Someone who knows better eats at a fast food restaurant and has to accept the offer of getting that extra few nasty french fries and High fructose corn syrup in the soda. Its spun a little differently of course. IMO most states have actually set up the procedure of getting a firearm and CCW to be inconvenient and once someone has jumped through all of the hoops they probably have learned something. (except the guy who fell asleep in my CCW class) My prediction: Nothing happens. She completes the 30 days and realizes that the whole thing is dumb. After deciding to actually take a training class continues to carry. Swallows her pride and we never hear from her again..... Maybe

  6. #15
    Let me know how long you think it will take to get kicked off of the comment board for responses like this one on msmagizine.

    In response to Starbuck's open carry friendly policy, some lady said:

    What a great article. I will pray for your safety. Thank you for highlighting the stupidity of Starbucks’s policy.

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    Escapedthematrix says:

    June 19, 2013 at 10:35 am


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    I’m going to open a coffee shop and prohibit free speech (1st amendment) I think it is stupid for an establishment to encourage people to have an opinion or speak their mind. My coffee shop’s policy will be to keep quiet and keep all of your thoughts to your self. Silence is golden…… Because this is what you are saying…. one of our inalieble rights is stupid…

  7. Quote Originally Posted by BluesStringer View Post
    With only one chance to make a first impression, you blew your opportunity on that drivel?

    Otherwise, welcome to the forums......I think?

    Blues
    Yep! And thanks, I think...

    Regards
    Michael

  8. #17
    My wife and I as responsible gun owners and CCL holders were shocked by several things. First that she bought a gun and the gun shop owner did not question her of her knowledge of firearms. Second, the officer should have taken a more positive attitude towards getting her some instruction. I recently bought my first 1911, and was not familiar with the weapon, so I respectfully asked the dealer for the ins and outs of the gun. He happily proceeded to show me all of the features of the gun and their use. I then felt comfortable handling the firearm. I absolutely refuse t o accept any firearm from any one other than my Wife without the action open and the magazine removed or cylinders open. And that's the way it is here in the land of Enchantment. (no children in the house and 3 guns loaded and ready to go all of the time)
    I am old and slow, BUT dead on with my aim!!

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    ezkl2230 Guest
    It is an unfortunate fact of life that there are many who purchase firearms that don't have the first clue about what they are doing. It is an even more concerning fact of life that there are many, at least here in Michigan, who buy firearms for the express purpose of defensive carry whose first time out with the firearm they just purchased is in their CPL class. I sell dozens of firearms each week for a national outfitter, and while I A) take the time to show my customers the basics of safe firearm handling and B) strongly urge those of my customers who have had little to no previous experience with firearms to seek out training and C) provide them with the names of qualified instructors, I know that very few will actually follow through with that advice. While the Second Amendment protects the right of each person who wishes to purchase and bear arms, it also says that the person who takes advantage of that right must be well disciplined in the use of those firearms. A lot of people concentrate on the "right to bear arms" while ignoring the "well regulated" portion of the amendment. This woman isn't telling us anything that we don't already know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarryNM View Post
    My wife and I as responsible gun owners and CCL holders were shocked by several things. First that she bought a gun and the gun shop owner did not question her of her knowledge of firearms.
    There's no mention in the blog post whether "Tony" was the gun shop owner or not, but whether he was or wasn't, it wasn't his responsibility (or even within his authority) to demand she quantify her knowledge of firearms before making her purchase.

    Quote Originally Posted by CarryNM View Post
    Second, the officer should have taken a more positive attitude towards getting her some instruction.
    I could agree that a nice thing to do would have been to offer her advice there on the spot, or where to get training if he didn't have time to help her right then, but had he offered, she would've turned him down because her whole point was to meet the minimum requirements to carry for the next 30 days. Seems rather harsh to blame a cop on the beat for not doing what she would not have accepted even if he had.

    Quote Originally Posted by CarryNM View Post
    I recently bought my first 1911, and was not familiar with the weapon, so I respectfully asked the dealer for the ins and outs of the gun. He happily proceeded to show me all of the features of the gun and their use.
    I have little doubt that "Tony" would've happily done the same thing had the manipulative, phony, anti-gun activist before him simply asked. She had no more interest in asking the counter-help for instruction than she did the cop though. Her whole point was to avoid any instruction that would make her more qualified than the bumbling, murderous, trigger-happy fools she perceives all of us to be.

    Quote Originally Posted by ezkl2230 View Post
    It is an unfortunate fact of life that there are many who purchase firearms that don't have the first clue about what they are doing. It is an even more concerning fact of life that there are many, at least here in Michigan, who buy firearms for the express purpose of defensive carry whose first time out with the firearm they just purchased is in their CPL class.
    It can get worse than that, actually. Several years ago I was hired for an armed guard position for a new account with a contract company. They were hiring, orientating and training the whole 16-person crew at the same time. So we get to the range to qualify (using 10 whole rounds!!!), and this one lady not only could not rack the slide on the Glock 22, she literally blew two holes in the rafters of the range, and they still passed her! There were two former sheriffs deputies qualifying that day, and several of us, myself included, had years of both concealed carry and other armed security experience, so imagine my surprise when, on the first shift I pulled at the new account, I was introduced to this lady as the graveyard shift supervisor! Seems she had a semester or three of criminal justice in college, plus a couple of other umm....circumstances....that moved her to the head of the line, so there it was, we were being supervised by someone who would've had to ask one of her subordinates to load her weapon if they weren't passed from shift to shift already loaded.

    Quote Originally Posted by ezkl2230 View Post
    While the Second Amendment protects the right of each person who wishes to purchase and bear arms, it also says that the person who takes advantage of that right must be well disciplined in the use of those firearms. A lot of people concentrate on the "right to bear arms" while ignoring the "well regulated" portion of the amendment.
    That's a very convoluted theory of what the 2nd Amendment says. It harkens back to the days before Heller where gun-grabbers tried to limit individuals' access to guns because they weren't part of the militia (the ol' "collective right vs. individual right" meme). Heller settled that issue once and for all - it is unquestionably an individual right. The militia part is simply an introductory preface to the meat of the matter, "...the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." The preface gave the reason why the individual right was necessary, because individuals would muster in furtherance of militia activity with their own weapons in tow. Once mustered, it was up to militia hierarchy to determine training standards, having nothing whatsoever to do with how well trained each individual armed citizen was when they were at home or otherwise away from militia duty.

    Yours is the first analysis of 2A meaning(s) I've ever heard that concludes that it, "...also says that the person who takes advantage of that right must be well disciplined in the use of those firearms." I contend that is grossly erroneous compared to any legal analysis available today. I would contend further that "well regulated" and "well disciplined" have separate and distinct meanings for each phrase, and that "well trained in firearms" is not necessarily synonymous with either.

    Blues
    No one has ever heard me say that I "hate" cops, because I don't. This is why I will never trust one again though: You just never know...

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    @Dhinknc. I'm in Texas. My class was 12 hours, and I had to do the fingerprint thing and background check. The medical stuff they put you through is off the charts and should not be part of the process. I know people that I would never want to see having a CHL, (That's what it's called here), they are dumb, violent and have never been treated, so how do you weed them out with medical records let alone the cost...ridiculous! It took all of 90 days to get mine, and I don't have to do a refresher until 2019. We are held to a much higher standard here in Texas and are expected to act much more responsibly. You can carry a concealed handgun in your car without a license, but I wouldn't recommend it! I am a safety fanatic, and don't even agree with some of the laws that allow you to shoot someone here, like if you wake up at night to somebody stealing your car you can legally kill them. Sorry, I don't believe my car is worth a human life! A man actually chased a man 2 blocks, shot and killed him and got off. Why? He was no threat! I'll just call the police, and if he does manage to start it, I'll take my other car and follow him until the police can get him pulled over, hopefully without anyone dying. I couldn't live with myself for killing a 17 year old kid over one really dumb mistake. He may of been high on something, very desperate, who knows, but is the car REALLY worth a life? in my book it isn't. That's why I have insurance!

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