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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief1297 View Post
    Once again a service goes out on its own to be special. I guess now since all services have their own GQ combat uniform, we are going to different weapons systems for all now...How quaint and super non-cost effective.

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    I don't have a problem with the services having different uniforms to set them apart. That actually makes sense in a combat environment. The stupid part is the Army spending $6 billion on a uniform system from R&D through implementation before realizing it doesn't work...anywhere. Gray camouflage? Really? Only used it for 5 years before starting to phase them out.

    Weapons systems will always be different for different branches as they all play different roles and have different necessities.
    The four branches are scheduled to replace the different uniforms with a standard in 2018. Like the old BDU/DCU days again... one uniform for all, more cost effective. The Army and AF uniforms blend in well with... gravel. The Navy's "aqua-flage" blends in well with... well, you get it. We need common uniforms strictly from a financial standpoint. I like the Multi-cam pattern we get in Afghan now, pretty cool.

    As to the weapons thing... all the branches have more or less the same weapons, with some slight variance of course. We all use, at some level, the M4, A2, A4, 240, 249, M2, Mk19, etc. The M9 is a good combat pistol, as is the 1911... if the USMC wants to budget for 1911s over the M9s, so be it. After all, it's a secondary weapon... it won't see a lot of shooting in combat. It's impact is negligible on the battlefield. If you're down to your handgun in a firefight... you are having a very bad day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gunnerbob View Post
    The four branches are scheduled to replace the different uniforms with a standard in 2018. Like the old BDU/DCU days again... one uniform for all, more cost effective. The Army and AF uniforms blend in well with... gravel. The Navy's "aqua-flage" blends in well with... well, you get it. We need common uniforms strictly from a financial standpoint. I like the Multi-cam pattern we get in Afghan now, pretty cool.

    As to the weapons thing... all the branches have more or less the same weapons, with some slight variance of course. We all use, at some level, the M4, A2, A4, 240, 249, M2, Mk19, etc. The M9 is a good combat pistol, as is the 1911... if the USMC wants to budget for 1911s over the M9s, so be it. After all, it's a secondary weapon... it won't see a lot of shooting in combat. It's impact is negligible on the battlefield. If you're down to your handgun in a firefight... you are having a very bad day.
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    The four branches are scheduled to replace the different uniforms with a standard in 2018. Like the old BDU/DCU days again... one uniform for all, more cost effective. The Army and AF uniforms blend in well with... gravel. The Navy's "aqua-flage" blends in well with... well, you get it. We need common uniforms strictly from a financial standpoint. I like the Multi-cam pattern we get in Afghan now, pretty cool.

    As to the weapons thing... all the branches have more or less the same weapons, with some slight variance of course. We all use, at some level, the M4, A2, A4, 240, 249, M2, Mk19, etc. The M9 is a good combat pistol, as is the 1911... if the USMC wants to budget for 1911s over the M9s, so be it. After all, it's a secondary weapon... it won't see a lot of shooting in combat. It's impact is negligible on the battlefield. If you're down to your handgun in a firefight... you are having a very bad day.[/QUOTE]

    I hadn't heard about the uniform standardization, I'll have to look into it. It might look good to a politician sitting in an office look at numbers but there's a certain pride among service branches along with their traditions and my feeling is that there will be almost unilateral opposition to it from the services. I'd be surprised if it actually happens but who knows.

    As far as the pistol in combat thing goes, I agree with half of what you said. If you need it, you definitely are having a bad day, but that's exactly what makes it the farthest thing from negligible on the urban battlefield. The picture of 1st Sgt. Kasal (now Sgt. Maj.) pretty much sums it up: http://media.npr.org/programs/morning/features/2005/mar/marines/kasal_large.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcreek View Post
    I don't have a problem with the services having different uniforms to set them apart. That actually makes sense in a combat environment. The stupid part is the Army spending $6 billion on a uniform system from R&D through implementation before realizing it doesn't work...anywhere. Gray camouflage? Really? Only used it for 5 years before starting to phase them out.

    Weapons systems will always be different for different branches as they all play different roles and have different necessities.
    I donĺt have an issue with each service having a different dress uniform. It is the combat ones I have issues with. Combat is definitely not the time to have different uniforms. When you have to make life and death decisions in seconds, adding 2 or 3 seconds to that decision making process by having to figure out if your target is friend or foe is not smart.

    If you add the army's $6 billion dollar bungle to each service's multimillion dollar R&D to bring their GUCI uniforms online, you are starting to talk about real money with a logistics tail that is large and cumbersome. As far as camouflage, the pattern should be the same for everyone as it is the terrain that will determine the best pattern to use, not service connectability.

    As far as weapons systems go, I donĺt think that a service has anything to do with weapons selection. An army troop doing convoys or USAF troops doing convoys are doing the same jobs with the same weapons. War and the weapons to persecute the war should be standardized for all the services. Not just for consistency but for logistics, training, and financial reasons. If the 1911 is the best handgun for combat is the .45 1911, then all ground forces should have them. If the M-4 is the best, then I would apply the same criteria. Ground combat is ground combat irrespective of service. I could go on and on but I think my point is made. This is my opinion of course.
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    [QUOTE=jcreek;448355 If you're down to your handgun in a firefight... you are having a very bad day.[/QUOTE]

    I very much agree with this one!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief1297 View Post
    I very much agree with this one!!!
    Hey... I said that, Chief.
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    [/QUOTE]I hadn't heard about the uniform standardization, I'll have to look into it. It might look good to a politician sitting in an office look at numbers but there's a certain pride among service branches along with their traditions and my feeling is that there will be almost unilateral opposition to it from the services. I'd be surprised if it actually happens but who knows.

    As far as the pistol in combat thing goes, I agree with half of what you said. If you need it, you definitely are having a bad day, but that's exactly what makes it the farthest thing from negligible on the urban battlefield. The picture of 1st Sgt. Kasal (now Sgt. Maj.) pretty much sums it up: http://media.npr.org/programs/mornin...asal_large.jpgHit by seven 7.62x39mm rounds and 43 pieces of shrapnel while savings the lives of his Marines in that house. It was a privilege to meet him at SOU.[/QUOTE]



    He was obviously having one of those very bad days I mentioned. He's a great Marine and a true hero in every sense of the word. The point I'm making about a pistol being negligible isn't that they're useless, it's that they have a very small impact on the vast majority of conflicts... large or small, urban or rural. A pistol should be dependable and trusted, for sure... but it is always secondary.
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by Chief1297 View Post
    Once again a service goes out on its own to be special. I guess now since all services have their own GQ combat uniform, we are going to different weapons systems for all now...How quaint and super non-cost effective.

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    Uh chief,marines are special

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    Quote Originally Posted by dusterdude View Post
    Uh chief,marines are special
    In all sorts of ways...
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