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    Quote Originally Posted by kelcarry View Post
    I absolutely agree with everything you said. My only known advantage in my house is the fact that it is my house. My only other advantage is my strategy that keeps my bedroom door locked and backed up with a door stopper and the door will not be opened by me to "clear" the house (only my wife and I and no children or others, which makes for more difficult decisions). Everything in my house is insured and replaceable--I am also insured but I am not replaceable should the BGs be better at this gun stuff than me; I will not leave my bedroom but go through a prescribed set of procedures that include calling 911, opening garage doors and activating car alarms, going to a defensive position in my bedroom with sight to the door but not from the door to me--all of this while I obtain my semi auto FN 5.7 with its 21 shots and my shotgun with #1 buckshot. I am not about to have a flashlight tell anyone where I am. They will take what they can if 1. they do it before LEOs arrive or 2. they do not try to come into the bedroom. If they try the bedroom and defeat the lock, my only concerns after the fact will be my need to replace the door jam and replace the carpet after the appropriate authorities remove the garbage from my bedroom.
    Well thought out! You have assessed your personal situation, know your limitations, haven taken into account the possible advantages the BG may have over you and come up with a workable plan for you.
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote."
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    Quote Originally Posted by wolf_fire View Post
    Well thought out! You have assessed your personal situation, know your limitations, haven taken into account the possible advantages the BG may have over you and come up with a workable plan for you.
    Thank you wolf_fire, I appreciate your comments. As Dirty Harry once said-- "man must know his limitations", and I believe I know mine and they do not include any mistaking my abilities as being Marshall Dillon or Dirty Harry. Advantages are there for all of us in our own home and, unless there are others in other parts of house requiring protection, I am not about to "light up my life" as the song goes with flashlights and even lasers. I will be maybe 8 feet from my bedroom door with a shotgun and an awesome pistol, and woe the BG who decides to find out what is behind "Door #3".

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    Concerning the earlier "1200 lumen" post: If you have white walls, mirrors etc in your house, you may well blind yourself when spotlighting the potential perp. You would also ruin any night vision you may have had for a longer period of time, and likely have that little shiny blind spot in your vision right where you don't want it. To keep your vision, once you illuminate, you would probably have to keep the flashlight on or be blind, thus losing any tactical advantage you may have had.
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    IMHO, from training I have had and personal experience clearing large vessels, the ability to illuminate with 30 or so lumens for an instant is perfect. It's like flashing a picture in your mind, and you would be surprised how much info you can gather in that few seconds. My tac light (having tried many) is a cheapo rayovac light. It's tactically designed (aircraft aluminum/LED/tail switch etc.) but it has a 3 click switch (off-30L-80L), and it has a little powerpack that takes 3 plain old AAA batteries. I have seen similar from Coleman and a few others, all around the $20 price range.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lakeland Man View Post
    This came to my mind after reading an article about "things that go bump in the night". The author heard something in the middle of the night. He grabbed his gun and flashlight and went to the top of the stairs.

    Now, I only speak for myself. But in the middle of the night, when I've been awakened by a noise, I don't even consider getting a flashlight. Here's why...

    Between streetlights, nightlights, appliance lights, and the occasional accent light, my house has enough light to enable me to see quite well when my eyes have adjusted to the dark.

    I am intimately familiar with the layout of my house and the placement of the furniture. I don't need a flashlight to navigate in the house.

    Because of my familiarity with the environment, I feel that a flashlight "gives my position away" to a potential intruder. If armed, they only need to shoot at the light to improve their chance of hitting me.

    If I were in unfamiliar territory, I would (and have) relied on a flashlight to make my way. I have cleared buildings with a flashlight and a pistol in the past, but those were different circumstances.

    I invite you all to chime in on this topic. Please try to keep the "what if" scenarios to a minimum. You could introduce kids, pets, house guests and who knows what else into the situation. There is no single correct answer that fits every possibility.

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    I agree, but only if you live alone. If others are in the home you need to be sure of the target before firing. Get a 250 lumen flashlight and learn to use it with night-sights or a laser. 250 lumens is so blinding that the perp can't look n that direction. Here's the order... locate shadowy figure... light-him-up... fire... light off. Each situation and how one responds is different. Are there kids in the home? people sleeping on multiple levels? Regarding the OP, he stood a the top of he stairs... right in the tunnel of death. hallways, doorways and stair-heads are where you're shot. In this case he should have secured the kids in the master bedroom (safe room) before embarking on his adventure. I also do not recommend walking around the house to hunt down a burglar. Short of that everyone should be able to navigate their home in the dark. And know where the floor squeaks are.
    GOD, GUNS and GUITARS

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    A light can be a defensive tool, both as a contact weapon as well as a distraction device where the output can be used to disorient or disable an intruder's night-adapted vision and give you an advantage while clearing a room or structure. I'd recommend both a weapon-mounted light and a separate handheld unit and practice clearing and positioning and orienting with both to avoid giving away position and to avoid disrupting your own night-adapted vision.

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    I believe in a tactical led light for target identification. Bright white light is a tool I use.
    -Austin

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    Quote Originally Posted by BC1 View Post
    I agree, but only if you live alone. If others are in the home you need to be sure of the target before firing. Get a 250 lumen flashlight and learn to use it with night-sights or a laser. 250 lumens is so blinding that the perp can't look n that direction. Here's the order... locate shadowy figure... light-him-up... fire... light off. Each situation and how one responds is different. Are there kids in the home? people sleeping on multiple levels? Regarding the OP, he stood a the top of he stairs... right in the tunnel of death. hallways, doorways and stair-heads are where you're shot. In this case he should have secured the kids in the master bedroom (safe room) before embarking on his adventure. I also do not recommend walking around the house to hunt down a burglar. Short of that everyone should be able to navigate their home in the dark. And know where the floor squeaks are.
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    I would recommend a quality flashlight even if you do live alone. You may not have to use it based on the ambient lighting in your house, but very nice to have if you do. A few tactics to consider (and practice) if you do use your light, and the one BC1 mentions is a good one. I also like Flash--Move--Shoot. You identify & take away their night vision with the flash, if they throw lead at the light you've already moved, and then you utilize your firearm to stop the threat while they can't see you. Highly recommend night sights for any firearm used for self-defense whether you use a flashlight, laser, or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spasmonaut View Post
    A light can be a defensive tool, both as a contact weapon as well as a distraction device where the output can be used to disorient or disable an intruder's night-adapted vision and give you an advantage while clearing a room or structure. I'd recommend both a weapon-mounted light and a separate handheld unit and practice clearing and positioning and orienting with both to avoid giving away position and to avoid disrupting your own night-adapted vision.
    Yeah, a light does make a good weapon. Especially those that have a strike bezel.
    GOD, GUNS and GUITARS

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