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    THE ZIMMERMAN VERDICT, PART 6 Massad Ayoob

    THE ZIMMERMAN VERDICT, PART 6: “WHAT IF” VERSUS “WHAT IS”

    Tuesday, July 23rd, 2013Much of this case came down to speculation versus fact. We saw it in the trial, we saw it in the prosecution’s case, we see it even in comments on this blog. In the spring of 2012, in the question/answer session that followed the CATO Institute “Stand Your Ground Symposium”, a sincere young man who happened to be African-American asked me if SYG protection would have been in effect for Trayvon Martin if he had been violently attacked by George Zimmerman, and had killed Zimmerman in self-defense. My answer was “Yes, of course.” And I would give the same answer now.

    The only problem with that hypothetical is, there is nothing to substantiate it, and there is a large body of facts in evidence to support the jury’s verdict that Zimmerman was not guilty of murder, or any lesser included offense. A large body of collective evidence showing that it was Martin who attacked Zimmerman, and not vice-versa.What if Zimmerman hadn’t gotten out of his car, and just driven on to his destination, the Target store?” Well, certainly, the confrontation would not have occurred. But that pales in comparison to what if Trayvon Martin had not attacked him and smashed his head into the sidewalk? In following a strange man who was looking into windows in a community riven by burglaries and even a home invasion, Zimmerman never broke the law. Indeed, had it not ended in death, most would have appreciated him taking notice and calling the authorities…as people had done earlier, when the head of the homeowner’s association in that community had chased down and captured a burglary suspect.“What if Zimmerman had avoided any danger by not getting involved at all?” Well, if the nineteen firefighters killed last month in Arizona hadn’t “gotten involved,” they wouldn’t have died either. Does that make them responsible for their own deaths? Review the case of Kitty Genovese and then get back to me with your “Don’t get involved” argument. But take a long look in the mirror, first, and ask yourself how long you’d want to live with looking in the mirror of the face of someone who “didn’t get involved” enough to pick up a phone to help Kitty Genovese, and didn’t do what a reasonable and prudent person would construe the voice of authority on that phone asked you to do.What if Zimmerman hadn’t carried that evil gun?” Well, with Zimmerman having his head smashed against the sidewalk and being unable to escape, Trayvon Martin would probably have stood trial for the murder of George Zimmerman. The evidence and testimony are consistent with Zimmerman’s account of what happened. So is something the jury never learned of during trial: the lie detector test (voice stress analysis) which Zimmerman passed shortly after the shooting, and which confirmed that he was telling the truth. He also passed the “******** detector test” of not one but two veteran police officers who expertly and vigorously interrogated him, without defense counsel present.What if it turned out that Zimmerman had made the first confrontation and pulled his gun on Martin, causing Martin to jump him and beat him in self-defense?” That WOULD have been justifiable for Martin…but there is ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE TO INDICATE THAT IT DID HAPPEN. Stop and think: would a man hungry to kill, with a loaded gun already in his hand, have taken the savage beating Zimmerman did, for at least 40 seconds, before firing?“What if” is not the standard of the law, nor the standard of logic. “WHAT IS” remains the standard for both. The evidence, not a hypothetical “theory of the case,” is what counts in every aspect of the real world…the real world of the courts, and the real world of the streets.A duly empanelled jury determined the truth from the facts in evidence and the testimony presented. Even the testimony of the prosecution’s witnesses overwhelmingly favored the defense.And that was only the evidence the jury was allowed to see. There was much more evidence which was confirmatory to Zimmerman’s account of a clear-cut self-defense shooting. We’ll get to that soon in this space…and why the jury was not allowed to see it.
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    What if GZ hadn't gotten involved last Wednesday? There might be 4 dead because he didn't help. But he did even though he is a target right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by S&W645 View Post
    What if GZ hadn't gotten involved last Wednesday? There might be 4 dead because he didn't help. But he did even though he is a target right now.
    Just goes to show what kind of person GZ is, not what the Obama and Sharpton would have the country believe.
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    Nothing I have seen suggests that GZ "promoted" himself to those at the scene so they made sure who he was. It was only secondary sources that have said GZ helped to rescue those in the wreck. If this was obummer, he would have been saying, "Look what I did." GZ stepped forward to help someone in danger in spite of the fact one of those who have threatened him might recognize him.
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    Ladies and gentlemen, I do believe that Massad Ayoob has said, albeit more eloquently and with more detail, what I said in a couple of other threads. Zimmerman is not stupid, nor a "co-villain" because he chose to become involved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by S&W645 View Post
    What if GZ hadn't gotten involved last Wednesday? There might be 4 dead because he didn't help. But he did even though he is a target right now.
    And the Martin defenders wish that it had ended with four dead. In fact, it would appear that some of them are willing to carry that end out, after the fact...
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    Quote Originally Posted by K7lvo View Post
    Ladies and gentlemen, I do believe that Massad Ayoob has said, albeit more eloquently and with more detail, what I said in a couple of other threads. Zimmerman is not stupid, nor a "co-villain" because he chose to become involved.
    Are you suggesting that all of George Zimmerman's actions on 2/26/12 are above reproach? No scrutiny should be applied by anyone but the jury and Massad Ayoob? I'd be amazed to read where Massad says he would not have identified himself before it all got out of hand. Zimmerman isn't a "co-villain" or stupid, but that doesn't mean some of his actions (or lack thereof) didn't contribute in significant ways to what ultimately happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BluesStringer View Post
    Are you suggesting that all of George Zimmerman's actions on 2/26/12 are above reproach? No scrutiny should be applied by anyone but the jury and Massad Ayoob? I'd be amazed to read where Massad says he would not have identified himself before it all got out of hand. Zimmerman isn't a "co-villain" or stupid, but that doesn't mean some of his actions (or lack thereof) didn't contribute in significant ways to what ultimately happened.

    Blues
    Except for "significant," and that I'm not sure when Zimmerman had the need (many would have called him the instigator had he done so) opportunity to identify himself, I can agree with this. However, I've got a feeling that anyone who happened to be walking in the vicinity and in a similar direction as Martin that night would have been on the receiving end of Martin's gangbanger violence. However, as ill prepared or whatever as Zimmermanman may have been, he was equal to the task, and all would have ended satisfactorily, had it not been for the racebaiting power grabbers in the whitehouse, and their lapdog media.
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