That guy with the axe handle? Fight him - don't shoot him!
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    ezkl2230 Guest

    That guy with the axe handle? Fight him - don't shoot him!

    In the latest round of bizarre advice to come from MAIG, MAIG Director Mark Glaze paints a scenario - and a response - that even leftist Chris Matthews has trouble believing!

    MARK GLAZE: Very often somebody will come at you. They might want to have a fistfight. They might come at you with an axe handle.

    CHRIS MATTHEWS: Would you consider the guy with the axe handle armed or not?

    MARK GLAZE: Not with a gun.

    CHRIS MATTHEWS: I would consider him armed [laughter].

    MARK GLAZE: I have a word for him. I grew up in Colorado where my dad was a gun dealer, and a guy who shoots somebody who has anything other than a gun when they could have done something else like talk or fight with their fists –

    CHRIS MATTHEWS: How do you talk to a guy with an axe handle?

    MARK GLAZE: Well, you fight him. You run away. You deescalate the situation.
    The fact that more murders are committed with such blunt objects each year than firearms doesn't even compute with this id10t. Worse, this is the mainstreaming of the ghetto school of thought as explained by TM girlfriend, Rachel Jeantel:

    ...not facing a potentially life-threatening 'bashing,' but simply a 'whoop ass.' They don't understand, they understand, 'Oh, he would just bash, or was kill.' When somebody bash somebody, like, blood people, trust me, in the area I live, that's not bashing. That's just called 'whoop ass.' You just got your ass whooped. That's what it is."
    That's how we're supposed to view a situation where someone comes after us with a blunt object, according to Blaze and Jeantel. We have to understand that they just want to give us a beatdown, not kill us, so we have to respond in kind. We have to talk to them, reason with them. If that doesn't work, we have to fistfight someone who might be coming after us with an axe handle; after all, they don't REALLY want to kill us. If THAT doesn't work, assuming that we haven't already been beaten senseless, we're supposed to

    BTW - it is apparent from Blaze's remarks that he is still dealing with some SERIOUS daddy issues.

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    I'm 47-years-old, which is, as I like to say, too old to take an ass whoopin' and too young to die. To me, an axe handle equals a threat to my life or the infliction of great bodily injury upon me. Either way, the guy is going down hard.

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    Flint, Michigan
    I agree with JDM on this one, even though 26 Id rather not be assaulted with a blunt object like a ball bat or axe handle. Sorry to say, anyone who attempts something like this one me is going down with 2 to the chest.
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    Most of the laws that I have read refer to the "threat of serious bodily injury or death" as justification for the use of deadly force in self-defense. To each his own... I think it is up to each individual to decide what is reasonable. For example, if someone comes at me with an axe handle (I'm assuming there's no axe on the end of it), then I may play the game for a bit to see if I can disarm/subdue/turn the whoopin' around on the other guy before deciding to escalate. However, I have to imagine that escalating when that point is reached may be quite difficult if they've gained the upper hand. Step one would probably play out as a back shuffle and warning that he may want to think long and hard about what he's about to do, then hoping that he doesn't use inferior judgment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JDM View Post
    I'm 47-years-old, which is, as I like to say, too old to take an ass whoopin' and too young to die. To me, an axe handle equals a threat to my life or the infliction of great bodily injury upon me. Either way, the guy is going down hard.
    I'm 58 and already have damaged discs in my spine. A beating with an axe could cripple me for life or kill if hit in the wrong place. I'm going to do what is needed to prevent that from happening. Too bad for the other person if he brings an axe handle to a gun fight.
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    ezkl2230 Guest
    I don't know what part of Colorado Blaze is from, but for him to insinuate that all Coloradans would rather fight with someone armed with an axe handle rather than shoot them goes against everything I have ever known about Coloradans. Sure, you might run into that mindset in Denver, but most Coloradans I know would shoot under the circumstances he outlined. I know that where I lived in Oregon a number of years ago, justifiable homocide was still a normal outcome to self defense situations, and "he needed killin'" was still an acceptable defense that most certainly would have applied in this scenario!

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    Mark Glaze is a raging idiot, and perhaps a good beating with an axe handle might help him see how flipping stupid he is.

    Mark, you take your beating, I'm going to start with a double tap, repeat as necessary.

    Today I'm way too old to engage is fists vs. axe handle, and too smart. 40 years ago I was also too smart, even though physically a lot stronger. My wife's favorite saying in a case like this is "fight like a cornered cat".
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    But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.” ― Steven Weinberg

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    I'm pretty small, female, and fairly old. To me, an axe handle is definitely a threat to my life. I couldn't fight him and I'm pretty sure I couldn't outrun him, so if he comes at me with an axe handle, he's a goner. And there would probably be no warning.

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    Sepra Peratus/Arkansas
    If Mark Glaze wants to fight a guy with an axe handle I would gladly sell tickets to see this guy get hammered. Mr axe handle comes at me the lead in his azz will make him too heavy to carry!
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  11. BUmedic, I'd be unwilling to play that game. All it takes is one good hit, possibly the first one, to incapacitate you. Game over.

    That's a game I'll play to win. It's all in the context, if someone who Is not physically strong enough to severely injure or kill me with the axe handle, deescalate away. If I think trying to deescalate can get me seriously injured or killed...well, shouldn't bring an axe handle to a gun fight.

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