Support for carry permits

View Poll Results: Are carry permits a good thing?

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  • Yes, they are good, all states should have them.

    7 12.73%
  • No, there is nothing good about the government requiring a permit to carry a gun.

    32 58.18%
  • Some benefit: such as providing proof the person carrying the gun is legal to do so.

    16 29.09%
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    Support for carry permits

    I know that some members of this forum actually support carry permits, CCW permits, CPLs, whatever you want to call the government permission slip that some states require to either carry a gun in public at all, or to conceal the gun being carried. Personally, I see absolutely NOTHING positive associated with a permit/license requirement. Can somebody show us any benefit IN REALITY (not just in theory) to having a legal requirement to obtain a license/permit in order to legally carry a gun?

    Edited: I did not mean to ask for benefits of complying with the law. I meant to ask for benefits of the legal requirement.
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    Support for carry permits

    Sorry bro but I'm in Vermont. We don't deal with that issue...

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    The following isn't exactly what you are looking for NavyLCDR yet your post hit one of my nerves.............

    A rant...............

    I personally hate carry permits with a passion simply because when the government is in control of issuing permits to be "allowed" to exercise a right then....

    you don't have a right... all you have is....................................... permission to be allowed to indulge in a government controlled privilege.

    And he who is in control of who is given, or denied, permission is..............................

    in control.

    Power comes from the barrel of a gun. He who has a gun has the power to either dominate.... or defend from being dominated. And when the government is in control of who is "allowed" to have the power that comes from the barrel of a gun you can be damn sure the government will eventually make sure that only those the government considers "acceptable" has permits and the power.

    As it is... poor people who cannot afford to pay for the concealed carry classes that are mandated in order to qualify for a permit... and can't afford the fee for the permit... are automatically discriminated against just because................... they are poor.

    But then... that is the whole purpose of a permit system... to ensure only those who are able to meet the qualifications (are acceptable) will be "allowed" to exercise their right to bear arms in a concealed manner.

    The entire concept of the government being in control of a permit system that discriminates against people, especially an entire social group... the poor, being able to exercise their right to bear arms in any manner, is the very essence of "infringed".

    And the sad thing is how many folks have fallen for the lie that a permit system prevents criminals from carrying guns.... why is it so hard for folks to understand that criminals are criminals because... they do not obey the law. And since criminals don't obey the law why in the pluperfect hell would anyone think those criminals are going to obey the concealed carry laws? I mean... DUH already!!!

    In the interest of my personal integrity... I do have a carry permit for one reason... to stay out of jail. I cannot fight for the right to bear arms from a jail cell as well as I can when I am free. In my perfect world Michigan would join the other States that have Constitutional carry where no permits are required for any manner of carry.

    End rant...

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    And I'll continue my rant with this...........

    He who is supportive of a permit system in regards to the right to bear arms is............................

    supportive of.............

    gun control.

    Think it through... any time the government is in control of who is, and who isn't, allowed to carry a concealed gun then... the government is controlling who can carry a gun.

    And that is................... gun control.

    So... if you really think that concealed carry permits that control who is allowed, and who ISN'T allowed, to carry a concealed gun is a good thing then ... like it or not... you are in favor of gun control.

    And because you are in favor of gun control you are actually an anti gunner.

    Now that I've pissed you off.... if you are intellectually honest... instead of attacking what I've said... or worse, using the liberal method of attempting to diminish or demean my message by attacking me personally... you will honestly reflect upon the conflict between having a right to bear arms and needing permission from the government to bear a concealed arm. And reconsider what the concealed carry permit system really is.

    Kindly pay special attention to the part I put in bold about ................ who isn't allowed

    I'm done ranting...

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    I think this is more what you are looking for.
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    Should they have ever been considered as an option rather than letting everyone have their rights? No. Guess what, the rights were infringed. In some states they can be considered as a stepping stone back to reality, or a chink in the armor of the gun control crowd. In most states, gun purchases have risen dramatically since Darth Hussein took office. This is good. In some states the number of permits issued has also shot through the roof. I don't have stats offhand, but I would bet a dollar that crime rates in those places have dropped.
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    If nothing else they are another way to prove that guns owned by non-criminals are a good thing. It'll be interesting to see what happens in Chicago. I know if I lived there I would pay whatever cost to be able to defend myself and family. Unfortunately, those in the high crime areas probably wont be able to afford it, so the numbers may not drop as dramatically.
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    In short, they are the only option in many states. And yes, it is wrong, but I'll keep getting mine renewed and I'll keep voting out incumbents that do not think it is important to uphold the Constitution.
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  7. NC is relaxing a lot of concealed carry laws but they still make it impossibl for some of us to conceal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikenut View Post
    And I'll continue my rant with this...........

    He who is supportive of a permit system in regards to the right to bear arms is............................

    supportive of.............

    gun control.

    Think it through... any time the government is in control of who is, and who isn't, allowed to carry a concealed gun then... the government is controlling who can carry a gun.

    And that is................... gun control.

    So... if you really think that concealed carry permits that control who is allowed, and who ISN'T allowed, to carry a concealed gun is a good thing then ... like it or not... you are in favor of gun control.

    And because you are in favor of gun control you are actually an anti gunner.

    Now that I've pissed you off.... if you are intellectually honest... instead of attacking what I've said... or worse, using the liberal method of attempting to diminish or demean my message by attacking me personally... you will honestly reflect upon the conflict between having a right to bear arms and needing permission from the government to bear a concealed arm. And reconsider what the concealed carry permit system really is.

    Kindly pay special attention to the part I put in bold about ................ who isn't allowed

    I'm done ranting...
    Wait, do you really think that a felon should be allowed to carry a gun? Not that it's going to stop them (it's too damn easy for criminals to obtain guns).
    I'm not a huge fan of government, but I really like the fact that only law abiding citizens can carry guns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by no2gates View Post
    Wait, do you really think that a felon should be allowed to carry a gun? Not that it's going to stop them (it's too damn easy for criminals to obtain guns).
    I'm not a huge fan of government, but I really like the fact that only law abiding citizens can carry guns.
    Do you really think a permit system makes it illegal for felons to carry guns? Think about this, in states that do not have a permit system, felons can't have guns either. So who exactly are permits controlling...felons or citizens? Denial of a permit stops who exactly, felons or citizens?
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  10. In AR, they really rack-up the permit fees. It makes the state money, especially since CHCL licensees here have skyrocketed. It is good that many more have permits and many, many more have stocked with more hardware because of our insane administration and their partners in crime.

    I believe there is a bill to reduce CHCL fees here, but don't know its status. I'll check on it.

    But, yeah, I get miffed when I think of the money it cost me for my CHCL. I know instructors need to be paid here, but the administrative fees were excessive.

    I also get miffed when I have to fork-over scarce money for something that should be given or affordable to all, but this is the 21st century, and things aren't like they used to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by no2gates View Post
    Wait, do you really think that a felon should be allowed to carry a gun? Not that it's going to stop them (it's too damn easy for criminals to obtain guns).
    I'm not a huge fan of government, but I really like the fact that only law abiding citizens can carry guns.
    Show me where the Constitution denies ANYONE the right to keep and bear arms. No, I don't like the idea of felons carrying guns, but a thorough reading of the Constitution won't reveal anything that denies RKBA to ANYONE for any reason.

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