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    Unarmed grandmothers may not be successful in fending off a man with a knife. The story tells us that the mom told the eight year old to go to another room. It is very possible that the grandmother would have gone into the room with the eight year old. When 911 called back to the residence the grandmother was in the room with the eight year old. I would guess the grandmother was in the room with the eight year old the entire time as it would have been a bit traumatic for the youngster.

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    Some more good news in the asylum, formerly known as the USA and run by its inmates.

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    I'll most certainly call 911 and wait, but while waiting I'll be armed to the teeth.

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    I live in Kenton where this happened. First of all, both were heroin addicts, at least. Kenton police and Hardin Sheriff Dept. were all too familiar with both of them. House was about 4 miles from Sheriff Dept., I'm not sure how close a Deputy was in a vehicle. At any rate, it took too much time for a deputy to get to the house, obviously. Very sad story but becoming all too common as heroin and meth epidemics explode in rural areas of our country. Hardin County Ohio, where Kenton is county seat, has an enormous drug problem. People who read the 911 call transcript should not conclude this was a murder and suicide over a lovers break-up, I believe it had to do with the value of the engagement ring. Hard for me to understand how someone can commit suicide with a knife, but maybe heroin dulled the pain. Cautionary tale clearly showing how important it is to have a firearm close by at all times.
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  6. #15
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul_of_TX View Post
    I have heard it recommended that you should not stay on the phone with 911 if there is a possibility of using a firearm because then everything is recorded. After telling them what the emergency is tell them you have to get off the phone to take care of yourself, loved one or some other excuse. The last thing you need is some over zealous anti-gun DA claiming after the fact that you were not really in danger or in fear for your life because of some little comment or sound in the 911 recording.
    actually as far as I am concerned the opposite is true, if in imminent danger and you are able to dial 911 the fact that there is a recording of the incident could keep your butt off of the fryer.

  7. #16
    Our government continues to disarm the victims with regulations and taxes, making it unaffordable to protect ourselves, while enabling the criminals.
    edit: I guess if wallyb is correct, she could not legally purchase a gun.
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  8. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by Bob in Bristol View Post
    Our government continues to disarm the victims with regulations and taxes, making it unaffordable to protect ourselves, while enabling the criminals.
    edit: I guess if wallyb is correct, she could not legally purchase a gun.
    Both were felons. A gun to a heroin addict is simply another article to pawn.

    Kenton Times article

    Teresa Nelson and Justin Manns in happier times



    Murder scene

    Kenton man kills ex-girlfriend, takes own life
    Deputies investigate the scene at 10146 Co. Rd. 195 Tuesday morning, where Justin Manns stabbed his ex-girlfriend, Teresa Nelson, to death as her eight-year-old daughter looked on, before taking his own life.

    Teresa (Botchlett) Nelson’s voice was calm as she called Hardin County 9-1-1 Tuesday morning.
    Her ex-boyfriend, Justin Manns of Kenton, was at her front door, she told the dispatcher and was refusing to leave. Within the next few minutes the scene at 10146 Co. Rd. 195 exploded into a nightmare with Nelson’s eight-year-old daughter and grandmother in the home while Manns murdered the 28-year-old mother.
    Manns had been to the house on Monday, Nelson explained to the dispatcher as the call began shortly after 10 a.m. During that visit, he had threatened to kill himself and displayed a knife to Nelson.
    She shared the experience with a law enforcement officer, who advised her to call the sheriff if Manns returned. Nelson can be heard telling Manns this on the recording of the 9-1-1 call.
    “There is an unwanted person at my door and he will not leave,” she had reported. “I am scared for my life.”

    Sheriff Keith Everhart said his deputies had been told Manns and Nelson had been in a relationship, but had recently broken up.
    “What recently means, I’m not sure,” said the sheriff. “He was frustrated over things … We had dealt with both of these people in the past over narcotics issues, but I don’t know of any domestic issues.”
    The dispatcher assured Nelson officers were on their way to the house located about three miles northeast of Kenton and she would remain on the phone with her until the deputies arrived. She advised Nelson not to talk with Manns until after help arrived, but the woman screamed Manns was kicking in the door.
    “He’s got me by the hair! He stabbed me! He stabbed me!” Nelson is heard to scream before the call went dead.
    Everhart said the dispatcher immediately tried to reconnect with Nelson and the phone was answered by her daughter.
    “Justin stabbed her!” the girl cried out. “I’m scared.”
    The dispatcher attempted to calm the girl who was hiding with her grandmother in a nearby room with no door or closet.
    “Call my daddy, please,” said the girl through her tears.
    The dispatcher assured the girl help was on the way to “to help mommy and get the bad man.”
    “Is mommy dead?” the girl asked the dispatcher. “Is she dead? I don’t want my mommy to be dead.”
    As deputies arrived, they found Nelson on the floor of the house. She had been stabbed several times, said Everhart. Manns was laying on the floor beside her where he had stabbed himself in the chest with the same knife.
    EMTs attempted to revive Manns and Nelson, but were unsuccessful, said Everhart. The bodies were taken to the Montgomery County Coroner’s Office for autopsies, he said. BCI&I was called to investigate the scene, the sheriff continued.
    “To me, it is clear what happened here,” said Everhart, “but we want to investigate this thoroughly.”
    The girl was released to family members and Job and Family Services workers were sent to counsel her. One of the tragedies of the situation, said Everhart, is the whole scene played out in front of the eight-year-old.
    The sheriff said Tuesday’s crime also had an impact on his officers and dispatchers.
    “I am worried about my staff and I intend to have a talk with them,” said Everhart. “It impacts all of us because we are supposed to be here to help people and now they are all thinking, ‘What if I had gotten there quicker’ or had done something to stop it. But there are times we can’t get there in time. Sometimes you can’t stop evil.”

    Below is a link to convicted drug traffickers in Hardin County, convicted in a hardin County Ohio court, to be more precise. Many many more Hardin County drug traffickers have been convicted in surrounding counties and because of that fact do not show up on this list. This is why Teresa (Botchlett) Nelson and Justin Manns may not be included in list. Also, frst 4 digits of case # indicate year of conviction.

    http://www.hardincountyprosecutor.co...raffickers.php
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  9. #18
    Wallyb, thanks for the additional information.
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    Even if they were known to LEOs for their connection to drugs, she and her family are entitled to the same protections under the law as you and I.
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  10. #19
    A good reason to practice weak-hand dialing... also, if there's one in the pipe, you can dial sooner...
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    Gun control is NOT about guns, it's about CONTROL.

  11. #20
    ezkl2230 Guest
    Quote Originally Posted by Itstjs View Post
    Hm, wonder if Anti-Gun advocates realize stuff like this happens every day to innocent unarmed people. I guess we should work on banning knifes huh? Or maybe relationships....Sad outcome for this family. Prayers out for the little girl and the family.
    The answer to a situation of this kind is really quite simple. Obviously we need to change the building code to require reinforced doors/frames and impact resistant or even bulletproof glass on all buildings. Certainly everyone can afford these minor upgrades to their homes.

    This may have been one of those situations about which our illustrious VEEP spoke where firing a shotgun through the door may have been warranted.

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