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    I have agree with Bob, I see way too many guys that carry low quality, small caliber handguns and fire two boxes of ammunition and think they are fully prepared for a gunfight to the death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apvbguy View Post
    one thing that you can be sure of is that a post like yours does little to encourage people to hire you as a trainer. a good trainer takes what skills and tools the student has and works with that.
    I didn't see where Bob insinuated that every concealed weapon carrier had these flaws. It is just a top 10 list which may or may not apply to you, or anyone else reading this. It 'was' a good starting point for discussion. $.02

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    Quote Originally Posted by FNWylde View Post
    I didn't see where Bob insinuated that every concealed weapon carrier had these flaws. It is just a top 10 list which may or may not apply to you, or anyone else reading this. It 'was' a good starting point for discussion. $.02
    This thread was started for that reason alone. Thank You.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Outlaw View Post
    I would have to question the 'substantial caliber' part of this post.

    Smaller, lighter (less bulkier) caliber's like the 22lr, 22wmrf & 380 auto are 'very capable' sidearm's in the right hand's. A smaller caliber firearm 'on your person' is much better than a larger caliber (bulkier/heavier) sidearm left at home or inside of your vehicle imvho.
    I agree, 10 rounds of 22lr in your chest cavity is probably just as efficient as 2 - 3 9mm or .40SW. The nice thing about a smaller caliber (besides concealability if that's an issue) is the fact that with a smaller amount of kick it's easier for some to control and keep their shots on target instead of trying to manage recoil.
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    I believe that the training and instruction should NEVER stop. The greatest figures in sports never stop training and they always go back to the basics and start from scratch. If they stopped training because they thought they were the best then they would NEVER have made it into the record books! By that i mean that if anyone believes that even though they took all the courses that they are ready I think they are wrong. I know in my own case there are most likely some or many areas that I could improve.

    I do not mean this post as a put down on anyone. I have seen many times where people take a course and then believe they know everything about it and I do not mean just gun courses. I worked in industry and saw people take a class on some machine and then thought they were experts. I took basically the same hydraulic class about 10 times over a number of years and each time I took it I learned something new OR got a better understanding of what I thought I knew but was wrong!! I believe the same goes for any and all the CC classes. When you take any class you only pick up between 10-25 % of everything that goes on in the classroom. This depends on how much you already know or think you know. It also depends on the teacher. I have had teachers who were boring and not very good.

    I also know that to take these CC classes, as often as we possibly should, would get expensive. We each need to try to train and take classes as often as we can.

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    This list also applies to open carriers as well. I would think not knowing the laws of the state your in would of made the list though.

    After reading the laser light thread and the open carry in church thread, the replies from apv and cypher almost made me **** myself from laughing. I thought high attendance was the big factor in who was right? It seems it's only okay for someone to judge as long as their from your church, then you can be as pompous as you want. Telling people lasers will get you killed in every self defense situation isn't presumptuous?

    This is a good list for someone to go through to see if that person is getting complacent and stopped climbing the ladder of excellence. Those that get defensive over the list have failed on one or more parts, and feel they were called out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vernsimpson View Post
    I believe that the training and instruction should NEVER stop. The greatest figures in sports never stop training and they always go back to the basics and start from scratch. If they stopped training because they thought they were the best then they would NEVER have made it into the record books! By that i mean that if anyone believes that even though they took all the courses that they are ready I think they are wrong. I know in my own case there are most likely some or many areas that I could improve.

    I do not mean this post as a put down on anyone. I have seen many times where people take a course and then believe they know everything about it and I do not mean just gun courses. I worked in industry and saw people take a class on some machine and then thought they were experts. I took basically the same hydraulic class about 10 times over a number of years and each time I took it I learned something new OR got a better understanding of what I thought I knew but was wrong!! I believe the same goes for any and all the CC classes. When you take any class you only pick up between 10-25 % of everything that goes on in the classroom. This depends on how much you already know or think you know. It also depends on the teacher. I have had teachers who were boring and not very good.

    I also know that to take these CC classes, as often as we possibly should, would get expensive. We each need to try to train and take classes as often as we can.
    I own a school that is an Instructor Development School. I tell everyone that comes through our school that I am a Student of the Martial Arts of Firearms, I never stop training. All I do is pass on what I have learned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firefighterchen View Post
    After reading the laser light thread and the open carry in church thread, the replies from apv and cypher almost made me **** myself from laughing. I thought high attendance was the big factor in who was right? It seems it's only okay for someone to judge as long as their from your church, then you can be as pompous as you want. Telling people lasers will get you killed in every self defense situation isn't presumptuous?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypher View Post
    I don't see anyone questioning your data here but your presentation sucks and your writing style does come off as pretty pompus. If you talk the way you write I'd tune you out after about three words
    Hmm....But instead you made two personal and insulting posts and didn't tune him out.

    Might this be something you would otherwise consider a "disruption" if you weren't involved? Just curious.

    I have no problem or objection to Bob's OP at all. It might be better-suited for the Concealed Carry sub-forum, but otherwise, it's a perfectly legitimate topic for a well-experienced instructor to offer up for discussion on a umm....discussion forum.

    BTW, no one "talks" the way they "write." That's why one is called "talking" and the other is called "writing." One has the advantage of vocal inflections and if done in person, facial and gesticulation expression. The other is very limiting in what character traits one can discern from it, though many forum participants make futile and ridiculous attempts to try.

    And some moderators on some forums would edit your post to reflect proper spelling of the word "pompous," and then after editing the spelling, they may come back and edit the word out completely because it could be construed by some people as name-calling. You do know that name-calling is against the rules, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jfisch View Post
    I agree, 10 rounds of 22lr in your chest cavity is probably just as efficient as 2 - 3 9mm or .40SW. The nice thing about a smaller caliber (besides concealability if that's an issue) is the fact that with a smaller amount of kick it's easier for some to control and keep their shots on target instead of trying to manage recoil.
    Heck...I have even heard of people being stopped (killed) with just '1' round of 22lr into the chest.
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