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  1. #51
    Glad to say My Wife and I attended a very good school here in NM. that was taught by a Husband and Wife team. Very down to earth and to the precise point on all that was covered. Also they are available to all students at any time for advice and or answers to your questions. I personally felt talked down to by the OP post. You , Sir, and I use that term loosely, have no idea as to the training and or expertise of those who read this site. Just my $.02 worth. Both My Wife and I are trained shooters, shooting together for 54 years, and both of us are Gold Medal shooters. ;)
    I am old and slow, BUT dead on with my aim!!

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  3. #52
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    Quote Originally Posted by CarryNM View Post
    Glad to say My Wife and I attended a very good school here in NM. that was taught by a Husband and Wife team. Very down to earth and to the precise point on all that was covered. Also they are available to all students at any time for advice and or answers to your questions. I personally felt talked down to by the OP post. You , Sir, and I use that term loosely, have no idea as to the training and or expertise of those who read this site. Just my $.02 worth. Both My Wife and I are trained shooters, shooting together for 54 years, and both of us are Gold Medal shooters. ;)
    Do you understand that it is a top 10 list of training failures IN GENERAL and to pick any one and take exception to it based on YOUR circumstance makes your argument irrelevant? Can you read? Who gives a crap if you're a gold medal shooter? The failures obviously don't apply to you, unless they do. Either way, the OP could have been a little bit more elaborate in the opening post, but he certainly did not judge any one person on this forum. He did, from his own personal experience, make a simple list. Your PERSONAL EXPERIENCE may be different, which does not make the OPs observations incorrect. Man, you need comprehension skills in addition to thinking twice before piling on. $.02
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  4. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by CarryNM View Post
    Glad to say My Wife and I attended a very good school here in NM. that was taught by a Husband and Wife team. Very down to earth and to the precise point on all that was covered. Also they are available to all students at any time for advice and or answers to your questions. I personally felt talked down to by the OP post. You , Sir, and I use that term loosely, have no idea as to the training and or expertise of those who read this site. Just my $.02 worth. Both My Wife and I are trained shooters, shooting together for 54 years, and both of us are Gold Medal shooters. ;)
    As an Instructor and Instructor trainer, I learn something new every day. It tells me a lot about you when you can get offended by a list without your name on it, without ever speaking to me. Not one word between you and I and you are offended by me talking down to you? I wasn't even talking to you. You came on the thread just as others and looked for a reason to hack it. And to say that you use the term Sir, loosely to me without knowing me tells me a lot about your character. Something on this list must have hit a nerve........If the shoe fits, wear it. I know this list is right and unless you can prove different, you don't know.
    BTTBBOB
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  5. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by Bttbbob View Post
    I own a school that is an Instructor Development School. I tell everyone that comes through our school that I am a Student of the Martial Arts of Firearms, I never stop training. All I do is pass on what I have learned.
    Exactly my point. We can never stop learning, training and honing our skills. I know for a fact I need to get to the range. It has been a while since I have been because I have worried that I would be unable to replace what I would use up. Now that it seems that some ammo is being supplied to stores, I will try to get there.

  6. #55
    4-Failure to understand situational awareness and its use. I have found this to be the main one with the people I run into. Like I said most people that carry don't seek out any other training.
    Certified NRA Firearms Instructor
    Oklahoma SDA Instructor
    Utah CCW Instructor

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypher View Post
    Does every thread on this forum turn into a pissing contest?
    Pretty much. The young ones piss for distance, the older guys piss for accuracy.
    GOD, GUNS and GUITARS

  8. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by 3gunshooter View Post
    I live in Oklahoma. It's in all states that allow any form of carry. I can tell how serous a person is by the gun and gear they have and tell me they shoot once a year. You do make it sound like it's just conceal carry people. I read that only about 5% of people that own guns get any training. The training your state mandates does not count.
    3gunshooter, you are probably right about the 5%. We run about 7% return clients from our mandatory state safety course, returning to us for advanced classes. That's only 7 out of 100 that care enough to take a fundamentals class or advanced defensive shooting classes. Now out of the 7% that come to advanced classes, we get an astounding return rate of 87% taking additional advanced classes. What that tells me, is there are a limited amount of people that take training seriously.
    I learned the Firearms Instructor trade as a PMI in the Marine Corps. I was the Chief PMI and Line NCO at the premier gun range in the world, Quantico, VA. The government spent a lot of money to train me to teach student shooters and student instructors. Once I got out of the service I spent a lot of money training with some well know instructors to stay current. We see the same thing in percentages with military and LEO in our school also. They only want to shoot for qualification but not a steady or continual practice of the training they have received. Fundamentals of shooting and fundamentals of self-defense are deteriorating skills when not practiced.
    BTTBBOB
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  9. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by Cypher View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by apvbguy View Post
    nothing like being overbearing and presumptuous
    That’s how I read it as well. There’s no attempt at opening a dialogue just the OP making his pronouncement from Olympus and expecting those of us mere mortals to be in awe of his wisdom
    Yep. Who is he to dictate what "properly equipped" is? Just because I carry a gun I'm now required to carry pepper spray and a taser too? Reloads? How many mags should I carry? 1? 2? A backpack full? Thanks but I can decide for myself what is right for me for the situation I'm going in to.

  10. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by BC1 View Post
    10 rounds of .22 cal in someone's chest and you have a problem. You're probably getting arrested. I'd prefer one or two from a .40. Easier to explain.
    this is another extremely foolish observation.
    in an SD situation I have been instructed to shoot until the threat is stopped.
    if someone chooses to carry a .22 and it takes 10 rounds to stop an attacker why would that be any different from putting less rounds from a larger caliber weapon into an attacker?
    and could you please explain to me why would firing the rounds needed to end a threat be grounds for an arrest?

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    Now I am certainly no expert on CC but I do a lot of "learning", whether by actual practice, reading or video. I have read over each of the points made, reread and reread again. From my "learning" and experience, each of these points makes a lot of sense. Maybe Masood would have stated them differently, but when I read each point, I see how they could lead to a "failure".
    -----As I see it, just getting a CC permit is not sufficient to protect a person. Caliber can be a problem, but I venture to say that, in the hands of an accurate, trained shooter, a .22 gun with 3 or 4 quick hits to the head would stop a BG. In the hands of a newbie to guns, even a .40 S&W may not be sufficient if they don't hit the target. Several months ago, a lady was talking to her husband on the phone when someone broke into the home, she got their .380 and hit the BG with 5 of 6 shots. It didn't kill him and he ran out of the house, but it DID STOP THE THREAT. As I have learned, sufficient caliber means the largest caliber you can safely handle and accurately deploy when needed. My daughter-in-law has had numerous shoulder surgeries over the years and so is more limited than some would be in what caliber and gun she can use. I would rather she have a .38 special she can handle than a 9mm or .40 S&W with recoil too strong to safely and accurately handle.
    -----I look at all of the "failure" points as I do any other post on this forum. I find that when I look at "What can I learn?" in someone's post instead of trying to see all the things I disagree with, I am surprised at how much makes sense to me of some posts. Using that frame of reference, there are a number of things I can take away from the points made in this post. What can I use to make me a better shooter and a more responsible CC advocate?
    -----I don't have to remind myself very often that a slick, packaged presentation does not ensure the thoughts behind the comments, the sincerity and commitment to the thoughts expressed and the perceived benefits promised mean nothing. I see the teleprompter driven speeches of the current resident of the white house and how too frequently actions taken do not agree with the speeches. I find enough significant "food for thought" in the original post to help me be a better CC'er. Since I do not have good instructors locally, I wish Bob was close enough to give me better training.
    Dave "The said Constitution shall never be construed...to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms." Samuel Adams

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