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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare45 View Post
    I try and train every couple of weeks if possible and depending on availability of ammo.
    I shoot because I enjoy shooting, it's been that way my whole life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ringo View Post
    I shoot because I enjoy shooting, it's been that way my whole life.
    without knowing your routine at the range all I can offer is that shooting is not always training. the ability to place your shots in tight little groups is a good skill to possess but it is not necessarily the skill set that you need in a SD situation

  4. Training isn't practicing. Just going to the range and shooting isn't training, it's practicing unless you are trying something new.

    Training is being shown how to do something that you don't know how to do or a new way to do something you already know how to do.

    Practicing is doing what you've been shown, the way you've been shown. It's like when a little kid is learning to write. At school (or when sitting down with his parents), he is shown how to write the letters of the alphabet. That's training. When he sits down and writes every letter of the alphabet 10 times, that's practicing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apvbguy View Post
    without knowing your routine at the range all I can offer is that shooting is not always training. the ability to place your shots in tight little groups is a good skill to possess but it is not necessarily the skill set that you need in a SD situation
    I don't have a "routine", I have common sense. You know, common sense? I don't suffer from 'Imagination Inflation" pertaining to SD situations, I'm always aware of my surroundings. Please don't "ass-u-me" that you are qualified to offer me any advise or that I lack any of what you again "ass-u-me" are necessary skills. If you lack skill and need training then speak for yourself and by all means get it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jtg452 View Post
    Training isn't practicing. Just going to the range and shooting isn't training, it's practicing unless you are trying something new.

    Training is being shown how to do something that you don't know how to do or a new way to do something you already know how to do.

    Practicing is doing what you've been shown, the way you've been shown. It's like when a little kid is learning to write. At school (or when sitting down with his parents), he is shown how to write the letters of the alphabet. That's training. When he sits down and writes every letter of the alphabet 10 times, that's practicing.
    I may be seeing a distinction without a difference, but I don't agree with your definitions of training vs. practicing. I've trained under several different instructors for both professional and voluntary, personal reasons. After the first tactical training session, I already knew how to perform the required skill sets being taught in subsequent sessions, but the first (voluntary) one was for home defense pistol, while the second and third were for tactical rifle and shotgun respectively. All covered various overlapping skills necessary for completion which both my wife and I already knew from the pistol course we took together, but we were still training nonetheless.

    Also, after taking all three of those training courses, I got a job in armed security. I could have taught the class and the range session much better than the dimwit who "trained" a group of us, but still, again, I was "training" nonetheless.

    Some years later, long after leaving that job, I got a job as an armored truck driver. While there were a few new twists to the training, like how to position the truck for the most secure egress and ingress for the messenger in the back, or how to manipulate the gun ports, the rest of it was somewhere between the high-level instruction I received on my own dime, and the almost useless crap I got from the security session, but again, it was training nonetheless. We also had to "refresh our training" (exactly how it was stated in the Employee's Manual) at least every six months. It wasn't just re-qualifying on the range, it was a complete repeat of the initial training. I worked there for five years, so all told, I had at least eight of those training sessions, but I think it was nine as I left a couple or three months before that last six-month cycle was up. Whatever, every one was a training session, even though I knew all but the job-specific things for years before I started there.

    I don't think the difference really matters, and if you want to call it practice instead of training when you already know most of the material being covered, have at it. Won't bug me at all. But when I do much of anything more than standing static at the firing line punching holes in cardboard or paper, I'm training, practicing, and honing my skills all at the same time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7yFQQd View Post
    I guess, then the best you can get is ~38 cents a round:
    In Stock .38 Special Ammo Deals | Slickguns

    The .357 is really steep - looks like at least 75 cents a round for new ammo!
    Yes, it's pretty ouch! ammoseek.com helps... got some .357 for 45 cents/round that way.

    And if we're differentiating between training and practicing... both are important. Quality training to learn the skills, practicing to keep sharp. I learned a fun/useful trick at my last class... Put tape over your sights. If you still hit the target in the right spot, your stance is good. Handy in low-light situations, too! For the record... I was just as accurate with no sights. So now I practice, and can effectively test myself and make sure I'm still doing everything correctly.
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  8. There are those out there who dont train at all. I'm not one of those. If cost is an issue (for me it is), then i will (and do) find a way in which cost is out of the equation. The internet can be a source of info, like the state legislature website, because you gotta stay up to date on your laws. Books and videos can be found at local library. The "Armed Response" dvd series is a good one, dry fire practice is a good one, if you do any reloading and have the components from before the shortage then that is good for live fire practice. Many people have smartphones, that right there is access to info.

    Onto the excuses, its been said, and the identity of the author escapes me at the moment, that a person usually has two reasons for something, a "good" one, and the real one. and for the real one it comes down to, i believe, laziness, and/or not really caring. they simply dont think that its important.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ringo View Post
    i don't have a "routine", i have common sense. You know, common sense? I don't suffer from 'imagination inflation" pertaining to sd situations, i'm always aware of my surroundings. Please don't "ass-u-me" that you are qualified to offer me any advise or that i lack any of what you again "ass-u-me" are necessary skills. If you lack skill and need training then speak for yourself and by all means get it.
    pms?

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    Quote Originally Posted by apvbguy View Post
    pms?

    Just TOBS.
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