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    Blind and carrying a gun....

    What do you think? I'm just going to toss this out there and see where the discussion goes:
    Iowa grants gun permits to the blind

    No one questions the legality of the permits. State law does not allow sheriffs to deny an Iowan the right to carry a weapon based on physical ability.

    The quandary centers squarely on public safety. Advocates for the disabled and Iowa law enforcement officers disagree over whether it's a good idea for visually disabled Iowans to have weapons.


    On one side: People such as Cedar County Sheriff Warren Wethington, who demonstrated for The Des Moines Register how blind people can be taught to shoot guns. And Jane Hudson, executive director of Disability Rights Iowa, who says blocking visually impaired people from the right to obtain weapon permits would violate the Americans with Disabilities Act. That federal law generally prohibits different treatment based on disabilities.


    On the other side: People such as Dubuque County Sheriff Don Vrotsos, who said he wouldn't issue a permit to someone who is blind. And Patrick Clancy, superintendent of the Iowa Braille and Sight Saving School, who says guns may be a rare exception to his philosophy that blind people can participate fully in life.
    Washington is another state where a blind person could not be refused a Concealed Pistol License just because of the physical challenge.
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

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    Well, I probably wouldn't go shooting with them. If I was going to their home, I'd probably call in advance.
    Perhaps they've got the right to own a gun, but it sounds like an accident waiting to happen. A potentially fatal accident.
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  4. I'm also thinking that this is not a good idea for the blind to have a regular firearm. Perhaps restricting them to the pistols that shoot .410 gauge shotshells might be better though. A Governor or Judge might be the best option, that way they have a much better chance of hitting their target and less chance of inflicting collateral damage.

    Joe

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    I've known & worked with quite a few blind people over the years. I once was driving a blind man to a speaking engagement (for transplant, blind, & people with disabilities function). I got lost in the city where the event was taking place. The man I was with asked me to tell him what intersection I was at. Then, he began to give me turn by turn directions to the venue. He knew every red light, stop sign and what was at every intersection. (Amazing! Better than GPS)

    I don't think a blind person would get into a wide & open area gunfight. But, if they are physically attacked, I believe they could hit an attacker up close or in a HtH encounter.


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    I don't see a problem with it. As far as a blind person having an accident with a gun I would think that is less likely. Everything must be a routine for them like folding bills a certain way for different denominations. They probably would not be too successful if they wanted to snipe innocent people in public but then again that is not their reason for getting a gun in the first place. A blind person is already at a disadvantage in terms of protecting themselves. A blind person could easily carry a small pocket pistol and it they are attacked they can grab a hold of the attacker with one hand and reach for their gun with the other hand. Then they simply thrust the gun at the attacker and as soon as they make contact they pull the trigger; no aiming required. Of course they should still be held to the same standards if they happen to shoot an innocent bystander. Why not let them have the same rights as others and require them to follow the same laws?

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    I've been thinking about this since I saw it... I've seen (not myself, but read about it) blind target shooters who were actually very good. I've also seen them skiing. They follow a sighted skier down, and it's often very crowded. We try to stay back, but it's not always possible, and the blind skier has no trouble following his leader and figuring out which one that is. I feel that with proper training (clearly, training specific to their disability), any responsible person could carry, blind or not. I don't need my sights to shoot accurately, and a sufficiently trained blind person wouldn't either.
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    I have no doubt a blind person could pass the shooting test here in Texas.

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    Has anybody ever heard of a bind person accidentally shooting someone? I haven't...
    Lewis - NRA Life - Oregon Firearms Federation - National Assoc. for Gun Rights

    Gun control is NOT about guns, it's about CONTROL.

  10. here's one instance. Meet the Blind Man Nicknamed ?Midnight Gunslinger? Who Has 80% Shot Accuracy | Video | TheBlaze.com

    personally I do NOT see any issue with it. Those that say they shouldn't have a gun are doing the exact same thing the liberals are doing by saying YOU should have hours and hours of training before you get your gun, and you should register it, and you should have limits on how many guns, and how much ammo you have. Why do you need that, etc. Seriously folks, if a blind man is being robbed and the robber says I'm going to kill you if you don't give me your money and watch, how far away would the robber be? 25 feet? 5 feet? Or the average, which is 3 feet. Don't you think someone that is completely blind could tell exactly where the bad guy was? Most times their other senses increase, hearing etc. It's pretty much just like everything else I believe, until you have proven yourself a problem, why should any limits be placed? And btw, there is a big difference between blind and legally blind. My mom is legally blind, but can still drive with corrective lenses.

  11. From the Iowa Gun Owners email I just received....
    "In fact, as I just finished telling this reporter, aren’t people who are disadvantaged in this way even MORE likely to need firearms for self-defense - as the criminals in society always target the more helpless amongst us to rape and kill?

    Does a young woman, about to be raped, really need to see with 20/20 vision in order to shoot a man who is on top of her?

    Should the elderly woman who fired a shot and missed a violent attacker who was breaking into her home on the East side of Des Moines a few years ago just surrender her life to a criminal because she’s old and can’t see well?

    Does an elderly man, out for a walk, have to just lie down and die when being attacked by a dog because liberal hysterics say he can’t carry his .38? "

    OF COURSE NOT!!!!!!!!!!!

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