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  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by Warbirds View Post
    How is a military base not a gun free zone? Can you carry one on base? Can anyone but the few security on duty carry a firearm? Can you even have an unloaded firearm in your car? Can the active duty personnel on base carry a firearm? How many of the victims were able to defend themselves? Have you seen the active shooter training?

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    Oh, so now it is a gun free zone unless everyone is armed? With such silly arguments you might as well hand over your 2A rights to bloomberg because you have no hope of convincing anyone with half a brain.

    It was not a gun free zone. the shooter didn't calculate the percentage of armed people. The shooter was familiar enough with the facility to know that there were armed guards on the premises, and he didn't give a damn.

    Please, for the sake of advancing 2A rights stop with the silly gun free zone assertions. It just makes us look ignorant and adolescent. Like calling everything you disagree with a "Nazi".

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  3. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by nogods View Post
    Oh, so now it is a gun free zone unless everyone is armed? With such silly arguments you might as well hand over your 2A rights to bloomberg because you have no hope of convincing anyone with half a brain.

    It was not a gun free zone. the shooter didn't calculate the percentage of armed people. The shooter was familiar enough with the facility to know that there were armed guards on the premises, and he didn't give a damn.

    Please, for the sake of advancing 2A rights stop with the silly gun free zone assertions. It just makes us look ignorant and adolescent. Like calling everything you disagree with a "Nazi".
    Ignorance is bliss, not being smart enough to realize your ignorance is..... you. Anyone that has spent any time on a military base knows the security situation. I bet that there wasn't one armed person in that building. Now if you want to not give our 2A rights away try to be less of a liberal and try to be a person.
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by nogods View Post
    Oh, so now it is a gun free zone unless everyone is armed? With such silly arguments you might as well hand over your 2A rights to bloomberg because you have no hope of convincing anyone with half a brain.

    It was not a gun free zone. the shooter didn't calculate the percentage of armed people. The shooter was familiar enough with the facility to know that there were armed guards on the premises, and he didn't give a damn.

    Please, for the sake of advancing 2A rights stop with the silly gun free zone assertions. It just makes us look ignorant and adolescent. Like calling everything you disagree with a "Nazi".
    It is considered a gun free zone if you do not have the option of being armed. You think it's not a gun free zone just because there were armed security...then what would constitute a gun free zone? Schools have always been considered gun free zones (at least in most states, the ones that don't allow concealed carry on campus), yet by your logic, because most campuses have armed police, then they aren't gun free zones. Can I legally walk onto that naval base carrying a gun? If the answer is no, then it is a gun free zone.

  5. #34
    So a gun free zone is any place where any individual is not allowed to carry a gun?

    Then schools will always be gun free zones until the children are allowed to carry, as will all malls, all theaters, and every place else. Is that your agenda? Allow all children and adults to carry firearms everywhere so that there will be no gun free zones and thus eliminate all gun crime on the theory that criminals only commit gin crimes in gun free zones?

    And people wonder how Bloomberg has been able to amass a following. He doesn't have to argue about gun issues, he just has to point the idiocy of arguments being posited.

    It's time for the 2A community to speak smarter, not louder.

  6. #35

    Fallout from another shooting.

    Ok so the agenda media tried and tried to push the dreaded AR15 as the weapon that this joke of a human being was using and to there unfortunate surprise it ended up being a shotgun. So how does our great and powerful media handle this unfortunate let down. The news station this morning described the weapon as a military police style assault shotgun (WOW REALLY)And just by coincidence here comes gun control right after that story.lets not attack how a mentally impaired man is hired by the navy after having to discharge him much less have a security clearance no no lets go for gun control.
    FUNNY HOW PEOPLE ALWAYS WANT THE TRUTH AS LONG AS IT'S WHAT THEY WANT TO HEAR

  7. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by nogods View Post
    So a gun free zone is any place where any individual is not allowed to carry a gun?

    Then schools will always be gun free zones until the children are allowed to carry, as will all malls, all theaters, and every place else.
    That is like saying highways are vehicle free because children cannot drive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nogods View Post
    So a gun free zone is any place where any individual is not allowed to carry a gun?

    Then schools will always be gun free zones until the children are allowed to carry, as will all malls, all theaters, and every place else. Is that your agenda? Allow all children and adults to carry firearms everywhere so that there will be no gun free zones and thus eliminate all gun crime on the theory that criminals only commit gin crimes in gun free zones?

    And people wonder how Bloomberg has been able to amass a following. He doesn't have to argue about gun issues, he just has to point the idiocy of arguments being posited.

    It's time for the 2A community to speak smarter, not louder.
    A gun free zone is any place where a person who would normally be allowed to legally carry is barred from carry by the gov't. Children aren't covered by that as they cannot carry under the age of 18 anyways. And yes, a military base is a weapons free zone because only those few people who are designated to carry can. Even on bases where hunting is allowed, all areas other than that are no carry zones and you'd better not have the gun on you if stopped.
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  9. #38
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    Quote Originally Posted by nogods View Post
    Oh, so now it is a gun free zone unless everyone is armed? With such silly arguments you might as well hand over your 2A rights to bloomberg because you have no hope of convincing anyone with half a brain.

    It was not a gun free zone. the shooter didn't calculate the percentage of armed people. The shooter was familiar enough with the facility to know that there were armed guards on the premises, and he didn't give a damn.

    Please, for the sake of advancing 2A rights stop with the silly gun free zone assertions. It just makes us look ignorant and adolescent. Like calling everything you disagree with a "Nazi".
    A zone in which only those who are specifically authorized to carry to the exclusion of all others is, by definition, a gun free zone.

    A shopping mall posts itself as gun free. The only person authorized to carry in said zone is an active duty police officer operating under color of law; all others are explicitly prohibited from doing so.

    Yes, it is a gun free zone, and so is a military base upon which only MPs or Marines guarding strategic stores are the only personnel authorized to carry firearms - duty-related or personal. The DOD policy to which I referred in an earlier post designates military bases as gun free zones, and even the base commander doesn't have the authority to allow all personnel under his command to carry; the directive is very specific regarding when and where military personnel may be authorized to carry their firearms.

    Gun free zones. SO effective! If they work so well, Mr. President, then I challenge you to remove the armed personnel from the White House and designate it as a gun free zone! Lead by example!

  10. #39
    ezkl2230 Guest
    Nuts, the shooter used my home defense firearm of choice - the Remington 870 Express Tactical Blackhawk!


  11. Quote Originally Posted by nogods View Post
    So a gun free zone is any place where any individual is not allowed to carry a gun?

    Then schools will always be gun free zones until the children are allowed to carry, as will all malls, all theaters, and every place else. Is that your agenda? Allow all children and adults to carry firearms everywhere so that there will be no gun free zones and thus eliminate all gun crime on the theory that criminals only commit gin crimes in gun free zones?

    And people wonder how Bloomberg has been able to amass a following. He doesn't have to argue about gun issues, he just has to point the idiocy of arguments being posited.

    It's time for the 2A community to speak smarter, not louder.
    You must be a lawyer or a politician because you have an incredible talent for twisting words. To answer your question:

    No, a gun free zone is any place that doesn't allow law abiding citizens who can legally carry a firearm to carry a firearm on their property. If you're under 21 then you cannot carry a firearm. So me being over 21 and having my CWP in South Carolina, but my school still not allowing me to carry on its campus makes it a gun free zone. Elementary through high schools would eliminate their gun free status if they allowed anyone who can legally carry a firearm to carry on their property. THAT is how a gun free zone works.

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