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    Twenty years ago my son & daughter-in-law presented me with a beautiful baby granddaughter. I was honored to take them home from the hospital in the midst of a 100 year rainstorm. On the way out of the hospital, we stopped so that my daughter-in-law could thank hospital personnel for her care. The "Pink Lady" then wheeled my daughter-in-law and new baby down to the door of the hospital where my son was waiting with the car...and we left. A couple of hours later we received a phone call from the hospital saying that they had neglected to sign out the baby. I made them come to my son's home to complete the paperwork. We were not going to make the trip in the massive rain storm because of their mistake.

    If WalMart needs the form sign, make them come to you. It was their mistake,not yours.
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    How far away is it to go back? Ask them if you can get something for your troubles.... Maybe a box of ammo or a coupon for 75% off

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    Quote Originally Posted by pbrungardt View Post
    Just my 2 cents here, but I would go back and sign it. It shows you have nothing to hide and it doesn't give the government or liberals any ammunition to say this is another example of how someone could circumnavigate the system.
    I agree. Absolutely, the purchaser should go back and sign the form. Why be a horse's petoot when it is so unnecessary? Why take joy in getting Walmart in trouble and (possibly) cutting off yet another outlet where guns and ammunition are sold? Sign the form, make a friend and thank Walmart for allowing OC and CC on their property. They have a choice... and so do we...

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    I agree with the previous. Unless you can perceive some benefit by being uncooperative there is no profit in creating problems for someone else. If you regularly visit that store call ahead and tell them you're coming and when to be ready. Otherwise, have that department manager send someone to meet you with their form at a time and place of your convenience. Don't go through life looking over your shoulder.

  6. It is definitly NOT your problem. it is WalMart's. Their gun counter staff are often untrained and inexperienced.. and thus not always thorough. The ONLY consequence that could come down on anyone is ATF pulling a dreaded inspection and finding that ONE form they failed to have you sign. That COULD, in today's corrupt and immoral BATF, result in that store losing their FFL. This is stupid, but so. It should be illegal. That form must be kept on premises, along with their firearms sale logbook, for twenty years.

    You don't say how much hassle it is for YOU to get in and sign it. SUggest they send the form to you by mail, with return postage and envelope. Sign it and mail it back. Or, if you get there once in a while, assure them next time you plan to, you'll be happy to some in and sign it. If you have to make a special trip, let them know of the cost in fuel and time, and that you're willing to solve their problem but would like, somehow, to be compensated for THEIR error.

    Please, do NOT notivy ATF, local LE, or any other such. We NEED to maintain as many operating FFL's as possible, and I also believe it is our CIVIC DUTY to protect our FFL's from the stupid ravages of BATF, Justice, DHS, and other such unconstitutional federal tormentors. DO NOT FEED THE BEAR by turning in any such piddly errors. The rules are stupid enough now, and their hair-trigger eagerness to close down any FFL for any reason must not be assisted.

    You might suggest to the gun counter manager that you'd like something to compensate you for repairing HIS staff's error...... suggesting a box of ammo, perhaps a sling, super pricing on a scope, something you can use, let HIM decide.... HE knows he is in deep bull puckey if FFL ever discovers that error.. not real likely, but were I he, I would be turning flipflops to take care of it. I'd also have already transferred the individual who is responsible for that form's being signed in that transaction to a different department. Permanently.

    In shopping a lot at my local Cabelas, I have observed their "evolution" on handling the 4473..... first, I fill out everything on their in store computer, which already "knows" me from previous transactions, and will catch any errors in MY input. Second, a gun counter specialist well versed in the paperwork walks me through the form, checking everything. Next, the BGC guy takes over, rechecks, makes the call, gets the proceed code. I get called up to pay, yet one more specialist walks me through the entire form, has me sign it. Last, the checkout clerk, again well versed, reviews the 4473, rechecks physically the serial number of the gun ON the gun, on THEIR tags, on the 4473, on the hangtag of the gun, and finally, on the register receipt. y signature on the 4473 is verified at least by three different people. And all this happens in just a few minutes....... like clockwork. Now, when the "runner" shows up to walk me to the frint door, HE rechecks the serial number on the weapon, and on the box label or hangtag, and on the receipt. At the door, the gun check guy again checks the numbers in all three places..... the gun, the box/hangtag, my receipt. And it probably all takes less time than your bungled transaction took at WalMart.

    Help keep yet another FFL in business and out of the clutches of BATF. Don't punish them, help them, but make certain the manager of that department realises it cost you, that you didn't HAVE to do it, and that he should somehow make it up to you in some way. We mneed all the FFL's to survive the onslaught from the whackjob liberals to rid us of legal guns. It IS a conspiracy, and a nasty one at that. Many stores have elected to discontinue handling firearms because of the high risk of insane costs, and even jailtime (consider the Reese Family on New Mexico..... in jail for two years or so for not realising BATF personnel were falsifying paperwork, then arresting THEM for "errors" on forms...... family of four, financially destroyed for far less than this paperwork sloppiness you describe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pbrungardt View Post
    Just my 2 cents here, but I would go back and sign it. It shows you have nothing to hide and it doesn't give the government or liberals any ammunition to say this is another example of how someone could circumnavigate the system.
    I think you should go back and sign it. Nobody will lose their job over it. You left plenty of trail behind and if the BATF wants to make your life miserable they will find a way legal or not! It's not as if the people filled out the form. It is in your writing with info that only you could provide.
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    Have them come to you it will teach them a lesson.
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    I tend to agree with the "go on and sign it". You knew you would sign one so that isn't really an issue and trust me, they know who you are even without a signed form and can locate you (they found you to call you, right?). Granted Walmart made a big mistake in not getting your signature and, if pressed could probably have their FFL suspended or revoked. That brings up the real reason I would go back and sign it and recommend that you do also...do we really need one less avenue for firearm purchases out there if they get their FFL revoked? I wish more stores sold firearms and ammunition, not fewer, and I would not go out of my way to eliminate any of them, even Walmart.

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    You want me back for your mistake will it will be costly, thinking around $100. for your time

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare45 View Post
    You want me back for your mistake will it will be costly, thinking around $100. for your time
    or maybe they'll let you buy 4 boxes of ammo instead of 3!
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