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    Also, putting "officers" in there helps dissuade arming teachers and staff. That may well be a factor in deploying the smoke screen.

    The American public is getting sooo good at accepting security expansion that has no rational basis but they are assured it makes them safer.

    American thinking - close statues because we have no security people to protect the visitors.

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    A. It's a drop in the bucket, relative to the number of schools, as previously noted.

    B. Yes, it's certainly a political ploy, to make it seem they're doing something. (see A.)

    C. Why in the bloody blazes is is the job of the federal gubberment to be funding local school issues in the first place? The only possible responsibility the feds should have to local schools is the impact support for those schools that have significant numbers of military students. Period, end of story. Dismember Dept of Ed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by S&W645 View Post
    Inspired by the NRA. Now comes the big question. How long and how many for the money. 356 and one year equals $123K per year which is over paid.
    Did you factor, training, uniforms, duty equipment, etc.?

    Also, even if these things weren't a factor, double the number to just over 700 officers at $60k/year (or even 1400 officers at $30k per year), again, too few. In PA, we have 500 school districts. If there were an average of only 3 buildings per district (elementary, middle, and high school) then that's 1500 schools and only 700 (or 1400) officers for the nation. It's still a drop in the bucket and it's a smoke screen so the NRA, American people, etc. will get off Obama's back and it looks like "Obama's done sumpin".
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    Quote Originally Posted by sdprof View Post
    A. It's a drop in the bucket, relative to the number of schools, as previously noted.

    B. Yes, it's certainly a political ploy, to make it seem they're doing something. (see A.)

    C. Why in the bloody blazes is is the job of the federal gubberment to be funding local school issues in the first place? The only possible responsibility the feds should have to local schools is the impact support for those schools that have significant numbers of military students. Period, end of story. Dismember Dept of Ed.
    Because the federalist congress, which elevates its own limited enumerated authorities over the enumerated rights protected by the Bill of Rights, determined that it is within their purview, under the commerce clause, to regulate firearms in schools; that was the ONLY way they were able to make it work. The original 1990 GFSZA was struck down by SCOTUS, and it was Janet Reno who made it work (barely) by adding "moved in or otherwise affects interstate commerce..." to the act. If congress can regulate the firearms themselves, they it stands to (their) reason that they can also regulate who carries those firearms in schools. Armed guards are an extension of the gun free school zones act. Remember - this act was first signed by GHW Bush.

    How to get around this? Make sure the firearms used for protecting schools are wholly manufactured in - and have never left - your own state. The GFSZA only regulates firearms that have "moved in or otherwise affects interstate commerce..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by ezkl2230 View Post
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    How to get around this? Make sure the firearms used for protecting schools are wholly manufactured in - and have never left - your own state. The GFSZA only regulates firearms that have "moved in or otherwise affects interstate commerce..."
    That is near impossible to do. Most states do not have iron mines and copper mines. The Feds have already proven that even if it stays within the state, that they will claim that it affects commerce. Think back to the farm family that had the Feds go after them for having a garden. The Feds say it affects commerce if you don't buy something that traveled in interstate commerce. Catch 22 at its finest.
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    We don't need cops in schools. they are a huge waste of time and money. Instead, spend that money on putting TEACHERS thru cop training, requals, and buy their gear. We ALREADY pay them to be at the school, and they know a LOT more about what's what in their school than any warm body "guard" is ever going to know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thru View Post
    We don't need cops in schools. they are a huge waste of time and money. Instead, spend that money on putting TEACHERS thru cop training, requals, and buy their gear. We ALREADY pay them to be at the school, and they know a LOT more about what's what in their school than any warm body "guard" is ever going to know.
    I am a teacher and trust me, there are several of us that would spend our own dime to go through whatever required training would be necessary to carry in school. We realize that the most dangerous place we go to on a regular basis is our workplace since we are disarmed from even carrying in our car in the parking lot. It's one of, if not the softest target in the US.

    After the Newtown shooting, my principal came up to me and said he'd feel safer if I were allowed to carry. I looked at him and said, I'd feel safer if about a dozen other guys who wanted to could as well. He was taken back by that a bit. He didn't realize there were that many like-minded individuals.
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