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  • None,the 2nd A,shall not be infringed,rules

    63 77.78%
  • Yes,there must be some restrictions

    17 20.99%
  • Undecided

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  1. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by wolf_fire View Post
    My responses to your load of bull is in red.
    Do not fail to realize that it is all a matter of opinion.
    A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state,
    the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

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  3. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by BluesStringer View Post
    Here are the now seven "Yes" voters:




    A couple of them surprise me, but the other five don't at all. I'm sure there will be more, unless knowing that their votes are open to public view makes them not vote at all.

    Blues
    I "Outed Myself after I Voted" I am not ashamed of how I feel about this.

    There are some people who should not own guns. If you've never met one go check out a facility that "Houses" the mentally Ill. My experience is much more personal and is the reason I will never change my mind on this issue.
    My opinion of this came into my life. If someone does not understand mental illness they need to educate themselves. Go to the facilities and see for yourself a small sampling of those you would not want to hand a loaded gun to.

    I agree that parents should "Parent" their children, but not all do. My 11 year old has a passport if he needed identification and he has a few thousand dollars in savings if he wanted to access his cash.

    & The Justice System will never be able to correctly rehabilitate many convicted Felons. Rehabilitation rarely, if ever happens in prison. So, Wolf_fire would then leave them in prison I guess.
    As part of the judicial system they are prohibited from owning a firearm, its part of the deal.
    You want to be a gun owner, don't commit a crime (Felony).
    A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state,
    the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kennydale View Post
    The only one is if your s felon and was convicted of a violent crime....that's it

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    What about those that committed violent felonies but were never caught or convicted? OJ Simpson and Bill Clinton were both violent felons but were not convicted with respect to Simpson and not caught with respect to Clinton (Juanita Broderick) for those youngsters on the forum. Now why do I call thm " felons" you may ask. Well the act of committing a felony by definition makes one a felon. Let's put it this way...was Ted Bundy a serial killer before he got caught or only after he was convicted. Is they guy stealing your car a car thief or do you wait until he is convicted? The point I am trying to make is that if you handed a joint of pot to your pal in Vietnam or at a petty in the 70's you are by definition a felon. Labeling people is a double edge sword. Why was a felon with a gun any less dangerous before 1968 FCA than they are now. The felon in possession law was passed by the Feds to prevent blacks from getting guns...check out the time line. Ronald Reagan signed the California law banning loaded firearms from being carried in public because the black panthers marched on the Sacramento state house. Clearly there are folks that should not have guns. I know of one that was buried in Arlington Cemetary after a long career in the military that should never have been allowed to have a slingshot. What about mental illness...if you believe in the God of Abraham are you loony tunes? How about if you look at porn on the Internet? Is obsessive compulsive a disorder if you wash you hands more than 5 times a day...how bout 50 times a day? There Will always be evil. We just have more of it now because God has been removed from the market of ideas, we have devalued life to the point that killing unborn babies is acceptable birth control, the traditional family is a pile of crap, and we settle for the very worst of mankind because e don't want to be labeled as judgmental, homophobic, racist, or misogynist. We are moral cowards...that is the only reason evil is allowed to flourish. Now you don't get to pick and choose what evil is...it has already been defined. You accept the definitions in their totality or you reject them in their totality. God bless nd Godspeed.

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    The key issue of those of us who do not support "gun control" is that time and again, thoughout history, what seemed mild or appropriate (common sense) measures to deter/prevent crime eventually led to the removal/confiscation of The Peoples' very Right to self-defense. Well, the recognition of that Right by law... a Right is a Right no matter who says it isn't. When left to the devices of gov't, eventually, despite the best efforts to only inact Constitutionally adherent restrictions on the People (an oxymoron of glaringly, obvious proportions)... in time, all is lost.
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    If you wish mental health to determine who should own a gun, you might want to make note of the fact that practically every single mass murderer in the US has been under the care of a mental health professional, and every single mass murderer has done so in a gun free zone. A thought who determines the mental health of the mental health professional???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kramer1113 View Post
    I "Outed Myself after I Voted" I am not ashamed of how I feel about this.

    There are some people who should not own guns. If you've never met one go check out a facility that "Houses" the mentally Ill. My experience is much more personal and is the reason I will never change my mind on this issue.

    My opinion of this came into my life. If someone does not understand mental illness they need to educate themselves. Go to the facilities and see for yourself a small sampling of those you would not want to hand a loaded gun to.
    People in mental institutions don't own guns.

    I agree that parents should "Parent" their children, but not all do. My 11 year old has a passport if he needed identification and he has a few thousand dollars in savings if he wanted to access his cash.

    & The Justice System will never be able to correctly rehabilitate many convicted Felons. Rehabilitation rarely, if ever happens in prison. So, Wolf_fire would then leave them in prison I guess.

    As part of the judicial system they are prohibited from owning a firearm, its part of the deal.
    You want to be a gun owner, don't commit a crime (Felony).
    As a minister I have worked with quite a few convicted felons who are now walking around free. So, I counter your belief that rehabilitation rarely happens because almost 25yr of experience tells me otherwise.

    My question to you is; Why would you deprive a person who has repented of his ways and paid his debt to society from protecting themselves from old enemies that may still be walking around free looking to harm them?

    I just can't see how a believer in the Constitution that states "All men are created equal", can then add a caveat that says; "All men are created equal
    unless...".

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  8. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by gunnerbob View Post
    The key issue of those of us who do not support "gun control" is that time and again, thoughout history, what seemed mild or appropriate (common sense) measures to deter/prevent crime eventually led to the removal/confiscation of The Peoples' very Right to self-defense. Well, the recognition of that Right by law... a Right is a Right no matter who says it isn't. When left to the devices of gov't, eventually, despite the best efforts to only inact Constitutionally adherent restrictions on the People (an oxymoron of glaringly, obvious proportions)... in time, all is lost.
    Here is the truth, it all comes down to the majority rule. That's what a republic is all about. With that majority things can change, most times that change is for the worse in my opinion.

    Gunnerbob, do you believe you are in the majority? Are you on a firm enough platform that you can successfully defend what you believe to be the correct interpretation of the second amendment?

    If you don't carry the majority you have to play smart. And that is a fight we are losing. The gun control laws in Colorado were not a result of people wanting to restrict firearms, it was about liberals knowing they could get elected on the issues of gay rights, women's rights and marijuana. Once they were in power they overstepped their bounds. And once they did the pro gun groups were able to bring in the support of moderates and some liberals to recall some of those that put the laws in place. Even that was a partial victory. Only 2 of the 4 they tried to recall were given the boot.

    The people that own firearms seen to love to splinter, we struggle to have the same viewpoint or at times even have a civil conversation. Too many posts on this site and every other gun forum or blog site prove that. We have to pull together and stop losing the fight and then trying to recover. Taking the "I am the most patriotic" hardline stance is not going to win a battle and could eventually lose the war.

    Going back to Colorado, it was the hardliners that pushed their advantage and caused the recall vote. Had they played it smart, strengthened their base on what they could agree on, they could have slowly passed whatever they wanted and turned the state hardcore blue. But they didn't play the smart game and now it is up to us to lose our advantage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warbirds View Post
    Here is the truth, it all comes down to the majority rule. That's what a republic is all about. Sent from my SPH-L720 using Tapatalk 4
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    WRONG! If you can't get this right, I'm left to believe everything else you say or believe is false and backed by your own ignorance.

    Fooling with you, b/c you mentioned this splinter thing..... Oh, yeah... you're still wrong about what a Republic is. The rudness wasn't sincere.

    EDIT: Sorry, I didn't answer your question. Truthfully, I do believe that there is a majority of GUN OWNERS when it comes to matters of gun control but they, perhaps, approach their stance with a bit of laziness. So, they meet in the middle b/c standing firm is too much work. As far as the non-gun owning public goes... well of course the vast majority of them believe in very limited to no firearms rights. That's why they don't own guns, y'know... pvssies.

    Humor, anybody?
    Last edited by gunnerbob; 10-11-2013 at 02:36 PM. Reason: I'm having a hard time spelling...
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    Quote Originally Posted by gunnerbob View Post
    WORNG! If you can't get this right, I'm left to believe everything else you say or believe is false and backed by your own ignorance.

    Fooling with you, b/c you mentioned this splinter thing..... Oh, yeah... you're still wrong about what a Republic is. The rudness wasn't sincere.
    He needs to read this-

    Republic? Democracy? What's the Difference? | Capitalism MagazineCapitalism Magazine

    or this-

    http://www.diffen.com/difference/Democracy_vs_Republic


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    Quote Originally Posted by gunnerbob View Post
    WRONG! If you can't get this right, I'm left to believe everything else you say or believe is false and backed by your own ignorance.

    Fooling with you, b/c you mentioned this splinter thing..... Oh, yeah... you're still wrong about what a Republic is. The rudness wasn't sincere.

    EDIT: Sorry, I didn't answer your question. Truthfully, I do believe that there is a majority of GUN OWNERS when it comes to matters of gun control but they, perhaps, approach their stance with a bit of laziness. So, they meet in the middle b/c standing firm is too much work. As far as the non-gun owning public goes... well of course the vast majority of them believe in very limited to no firearms rights. That's why they don't own guns, y'know... pvssies.

    Humor, anybody?
    Gunnerbob I sometimes struggle to put in writing what I'm thinking. So please clarify my mistakes.

    A constitutional republic is supposed to protect the rights of an individual by rule of law according to what is set by the constitution. The laws are set by elected officials who are put in office by majority vote of the people. The laws are supposed to protect the individual but since they are created by the majority the laws are to be judged as constitutional or not by the judicial system. The judges are either elected by majority vote of the people or selected by and confirmed by elected officials. The decisions of the supreme court are by majority decision. Also the constitution can by changes by super majority of the people in the form of ratification of said amendment by the states.

    Any issues there?

    What our government is supposed too do and what it really does are in direct competition with each other.

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