To the Rabid Anti-Open Carriers
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  1. To the Rabid Anti-Open Carriers

    Rabid, contemptuous and abusive persons who portray themselves as CCers and jump at every opportunity to malign and denigrate OCers just for the fact that they OC, leads me to believe that they are wolves in sheepdog clothing.
    Iím not talking to CCers who oppose OC for tactical or personal reasons; Iím talking to those who fervently assail and use vile names and slurs to attack OCers.

    The fanatical OCers I have met personally donít even CC, they are NRA members who hunt and donít believe that anything other than a shotgun in the home is necessary. In my opinion, they are anti 2nd Amendment surrogates or undercover plants who have duped other CCers into joining them in their tirade. This type of anti-OCer does more damage to our gun-rights than all of the anti-gun groups combined.

    Their favorite tactic is to find an offensive OCer and use that one person to label an entire community. There are 45 states that allow OC and the overwhelming majority of the 10ís of thousands of patriots who OC, are upstanding, average citizens who dress sharply and maintain a pleasant demeanor in an effort to win the hearts and minds of those who havenít made a decision, or who are on the fence, to the pro-2nd Amendment, pro-gun movement.

    Donít tolerate insurgents in your groups who publicly oppose and protest this legal patriotic activity. They are either totally oblivious to the consequences of their thoughtless actions or undercover agents of anti-gun groups.

    You are free to quote or re-post this.

    Tony Snesko, Founder
    Idaho Carry, Open & Concealed
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    A rant..

    Alas... there are many within the gun community who purport to support the right to keep and bear arms but who really only support keeping and bearing arms in ways they personally think are "reasonable", "appropriate", and "acceptable" never understanding that perspective is exactly the same perspective of the anti gunner. The rabid anti gunner wants to control all guns because he doesn't like guns at all.... but the gun owning anti gunner "lite" only wants to control the guns he doesn't like and the methods of carry he doesn't like in places he doesn't think guns should be by people he doesn't think are as special has he is so they shouldn't be "allowed"........

    But it's easy to spot an anti gunner pro gun control person....

    They all have the same attitude of:

    "I want to be the one in control of who, where, why, how, and when, people are allowed to have and/or carry guns."

    End rant...

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    Bikenut, lately you have saved me soooooo much typing (because you type what I want to say) that I hardly post anymore.....

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    Good one. Heck, to the rabid-anti-any-type-of-carry-er...

    I CC, simply because that's how I feel comfortable carrying. Plus, I have a kid to get home to, and if some scared anti calls the cops on me, I don't have time to stand around defending my rights to police or people who think guns are scary (have yet to see one OC'er outside of a gun shop), I gotta get back before the bus does. I get the crime deterring aspect of OC-ing and think it's great. Maybe some day I'll want to switch, but for now I prefer CC. I shouldn't have to defend that or get in to an argument about it, and neither should someone who prefers OC. I'm all for rational discussions about the benefits of each, but nothing should go beyond friendly debate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by telpinaro View Post
    Good one. Heck, to the rabid-anti-any-type-of-carry-er...

    I CC, simply because that's how I feel comfortable carrying. Plus, I have a kid to get home to, and if some scared anti calls the cops on me, I don't have time to stand around defending my rights to police or people who think guns are scary (have yet to see one OC'er outside of a gun shop), I gotta get back before the bus does. I get the crime deterring aspect of OC-ing and think it's great. Maybe some day I'll want to switch, but for now I prefer CC. I shouldn't have to defend that or get in to an argument about it, and neither should someone who prefers OC. I'm all for rational discussions about the benefits of each, but nothing should go beyond friendly debate.
    This is a good, truthful & legitimate reason to CC instead of OC. I don't think any OC'er we have on this forum would have any objections to someone being truthful about their feelings related to CC over OC.

    Personally, I don't have any problem whatsoever with someone who says I feel more comfortable CC'ing; so that's why I don't like OC. I think what gets most OC proponents bent out of shape is the holier than thou attitudes of antis as they spew out false or made up statistics on why CC is better than OC.

    OC was my initial way to carry when I was younger. But, I haven't been able to legally OC for decades. Unfortunately, we don't have OC here. But, I do hope that will soon change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcox4freedom View Post
    This is a good, truthful & legitimate reason to CC instead of OC. I don't think any OC'er we have on this forum would have any objections to someone being truthful about their feelings related to CC over OC.

    Personally, I don't have any problem whatsoever with someone who says I feel more comfortable CC'ing; so that's why I don't like OC. I think what gets most OC proponents bent out of shape is the holier than thou attitudes of antis as they spew out false or made up statistics on why CC is better than OC.

    OC was my initial way to carry when I was younger. But, I haven't been able to legally OC for decades. Unfortunately, we don't have OC here. But, I do hope that will soon change.

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    I've run in to people who think I'm an idiot who say that's not a "legitimate" reason because there aren't any facts in there (not on this forum, thankfully!). And I'm with you... I don't care which side you're going for... If you're going to use numbers... check them! Nothing bugs me more in any argument than made up or out-of context "facts."
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    Never have understood the open carry vs conceal carry toxicity. Just makes no sense what so ever.


    I used to be a government-educated stooge. By the grace of God, I repent. -Robert Burris

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Bikenut View Post
    A rant..

    Alas... there are many within the gun community who purport to support the right to keep and bear arms but who really only support keeping and bearing arms in ways they personally think are "reasonable", "appropriate", and "acceptable" never understanding that perspective is exactly the same perspective of the anti gunner. The rabid anti gunner wants to control all guns because he doesn't like guns at all.... but the gun owning anti gunner "lite" only wants to control the guns he doesn't like and the methods of carry he doesn't like in places he doesn't think guns should be by people he doesn't think are as special has he is so they shouldn't be "allowed"........

    But it's easy to spot an anti gunner pro gun control person....

    They all have the same attitude of:

    "I want to be the one in control of who, where, why, how, and when, people are allowed to have and/or carry guns."

    End rant...
    I couldn't have said it better Bikenut, may I quote you in future posts (giving you the credit of course). What kind of bike do you have?

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    Quote Originally Posted by IOC View Post
    I couldn't have said it better Bikenut, may I quote you in future posts (giving you the credit of course). What kind of bike do you have?
    I would hope anyone and everyone who finds value in any of my posts would use what I have said anywhere and everywhere on.. and off... the 'net whether they actually quote me or not.

    During my riding career I have owned many bikes although I really don't know how many. I do know but it had to be more than 80 and perhaps less than 100. I collected some, had a couple on display in a museum for a while, rode most of them... year 'round too because Michigan's snow and ice were just another challenge, played on race tracks... my shoe soles were always ground down on the outside edge and so was my little toe from time to time, and crashed entirely too many of them. Did you know it is possible to sorta steer yourself away from hitting stuff using your elbows and feet against the pavement after you have crashed (wear leathers for that!)? My sons and I had a stunt team for a few years putting on stunt shows too with my youngest boy doing stunts at the tender age of 11. Good times with my sons... precious memories of time with my boys well spent. But I got old and I don't have any bikes now. My boys have a couple of them and the others were sold.

    But make no mistake... none of that makes me any more special than anyone else. There are others who have lived lives much more interesting. It isn't what we do in life that is important.... it is if we put all we have into enjoying what we do that makes life worth living.

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    Iowa does allow open carry; but I carry concealed because I feel more comfortable that way. I really don't care what anyone else does, since it's their right and none of my business. I personally don't like feeling that I'm the center of attention.

    Iowa is a cold state and open carry is not practical for 2/3 of the year anyway; since too much clothing is required in order to stay warm. I also have quite few tattoos; and in the summer I feel a little self conscious. I live on a farm in a very rural area. Everyone around knows me but I still don't like undue attention. I'm pretty sure that no one cares about the tattoos or open carry. It's just my preference. I also worry that if there was trouble, open carry might make me the first target of the bad guys.

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