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    Quote Originally Posted by CoolClownFish View Post
    Please Re-Read what I originally posted. This is not about what I would do, it is about what you would do. This isn't rocket science folks it's just a basic question about what YOU would do in this situation. Firefighterchen, I am not picking on you and mean no disrespect. I simply don't want everyone overthinking it.
    Ok fair enough.

    The only reason I would think something bad was going to happen would be because I know all of the above (and yes all of the above do matter). I would then act accordingly to save my son.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blakester View Post
    Wolf_Fire and Firefighterchen,
    I am a little disappointed. Wolf_Fire I tend to agree with you in most threads, but I have to disagree with your last post. The lack of information is just the point, because the hypothetical then only raises one good question action or inaction. All combat Veterans know that "what if" are the two most terrifying and haunting words in the English language. If you attempt to keep kids safe and look foolish or fail at least you can live with the knowledge that you tried everything. The inverse is less forgiving, the inability to act will leave you asking what if?
    Knowing everything is ideal but sometimes following your gut is a necessary or slightly more redeeming evil.
    There are literally thousands of variables to be considered in the OP's hypothetical question. I thought I made it abundantly clear that I have made tactical decisions and have set myself up in my classroom to be able to survive. However, to answer a question of "My question is What would you do if you seen Someone (Kid or Adult) that you thought was armed and you believed he/she had bad intentions at your kids school? Do you wait to see what is going on? Do you confront him/her first? "

    Where do I see him? Is it in an open forum? Is it in the parking lot? Is it in a narrow hall way? Is it in the principal's office? Is it in a classroom? How close am I to him? Are there small children around? Are there any other adults around? If other people are around, are they between us?
    Why do I think he is armed? Is there a bulge where a cell phone would be? If I don't KNOW he is armed, I cannot take direct physical action, yet.
    What makes me think he has bad intentions? Is it his style of walk? Is it his shifty eyes? Does he keep playing with that bulge (where a cell phone might be)? Could it be he keeps getting texted or called and the phone is on vibrate? Has he already gone through the check in station and been given a visitor's pass? If given a visitor's pass, has the faculty member come to escort him into the school? Is he waiting in the locked area of the vestibule for his escort?
    Do I wait to see what is going on? Read some of the variables above?

    As always, and as I already have mentioned and you have said that you have read, but I will copy and paste for you to read again: I would advocate monitor, improvise and adapt, but that is in every situation. Why would I discuss what action I would take, when it isn't in the least bit clear from the OP's question what it is I'm actually witnessing or if I even know that something is askew? A truly trained combat veteran knows that there is a time to fight and a time for flight. Depending on many of the variables I have questioned, would determine which of those two choices I would take. Again, since there are way too many variables from such an obtuse question, I couldn't possibly give an intelligent answer in this forum in a limited posting space.

    I have also mentioned that I do have several plans of attack if there is a known shooter in the building and I'm in my classroom. I have also mentioned that I know every escape route in the building plus a few innovative ones of my own design. I also mentioned I have the ability and the means to rappel out of the window (upper floor) in case the poop has already started to fly. None of the details of which I would be comfortable sharing with the world. If an active shooter comes into my classroom, you'll be reading about it in the paper instead.

    But the OP's question was more do you stop something that may or may not be something. First, I approach every person in my building regardless of my feeling about them, if I do not know them, and they are not being escorted by faculty. I always want to know who's who in my building in which I am a disarmed sheep. Again, read my short list of questions that would need to be answered first before I tell you how I would react to that "situation", whatever that situation is. His question is vague at best, obtuse at most. There are just way too many variables to address it with the due diligence a serious situation like this would entail. My point is we aren't given any inkling as to the "what if" in this situation, therefore I could make up thousands of what ifs in this post and detail how would react differently to each and every one of them. I believe my previous answer actually addresses that it DEPENDS on which of the possibly thousands of "what ifs" that could occur on how I would react. Since that is literally thousands of different scenarios, if you want to wait until my 300 page book comes out to address it properly maybe then you will not be disappointed in my answer. Until then, in a several paragraph format, I cannot possibly answer this question properly, but you continue to keep being disappointed in me. (That was a jab). However, this is not a jab: I do appreciate the fact that you mentioned you agree with how I answer in most of what I post here; thank you.
    Last edited by wolf_fire; 11-01-2013 at 05:31 AM. Reason: there is a grammar nazi in the forum and I changed their to there
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Outlaw View Post
    Since the school's in my neighborhood are all GFZ's (federally mandated death-traps), I would probably handle the situation in the following manner....

    If I suddenly heard gunshot's ringing out from inside of my kid's school and the cop's have not yet arrived, then all bet's are off at that time as far as I'm concerned and I'm going to react accordingly.
    Why?
    Because when second's count, the cop's are usually too many minute's away, that's why.

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    They can lock me up and throw away the key afterward's if they want to, but if my taking action means saving the life of my kid (and other innocent kid's) then I would gladly face a jury of my peer's after all of the smoke clear's.

    I really don't think that there would be a jury in this entire country that would want to convict someone who rescued/saved innocent children from some homicidal maniac inside of a school.
    Don't think there would be a jury in this entire country that would convict? We currently live in a country that is an upside down asylum of moral decay and political correctness, regardless of events, that is run by its inmates and those inmates are on juries and those inmates are judges, as well. When an OJ gets off for no reason and the rich in many cases get off for no reason and when judges have become more than followers of the law but feel like they can make law, the idea that "there would not be" in this country is not so certain anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blakester View Post
    I would shadow them into the school. If they made a move I put a knife into their brain stem and dig and twist. Ammo is getting expensive, kids don't need to hear gun shots in their school, and the situation could be contained discretely. I wouldn't involve law enforcement until after the fact. Those trigger happy newbs have been hitting a lot of innocent bystanders lately; Florida, North Carolina, twice in New York in the last year.
    And then you would be arrested. Learn anything about use of force from George Zimmerman?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Outlaw View Post
    Since the school's in my neighborhood are all GFZ's (federally mandated death-traps), I would probably handle the situation in the following manner....

    Scenario A)
    I would immediatly call the police and advise them of the situation...I would not let my kid into the school (if dropping him off)...I would probably be watching from inside of my vehicle while waiting for the police to arrive...I would then advise the cops as they arrived & let them handle the situation from there.

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    Scenario B)
    If my kid is actually inside of the school at the time (God forbid), then I would probably do the same as above, but I would also be standing outside of the school (while still relaying information to the police). I would be monitoring the situation as best as I can (while still waiting for the police to arrive). I would probably be ready to enter into the school at a moment's notice (if I am forced into that action) to defend my child's life if necessary.
    Example;
    If I suddenly heard gunshot's ringing out from inside of my kid's school and the cop's have not yet arrived, then all bet's are off at that time as far as I'm concerned and I'm going to react accordingly.
    Why?
    Because when second's count, the cop's are usually too many minute's away, that's why.

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    They can lock me up and throw away the key afterward's if they want to, but if my taking action means saving the life of my kid (and other innocent kid's) then I would gladly face a jury of my peer's after all of the smoke clear's.

    I really don't think that there would be a jury in this entire country that would want to convict someone who rescued/saved innocent children from some homicidal maniac inside of a school.
    I would have to agree with this response. Spot-on.
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    Maintain Situational Awareness and notify a person in charge. At our schools we have LEO's so he/she would be notified. I would also be sure I had my child in my custody ASAP.
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    And then you would be arrested. Learn anything about use of force from George Zimmerman?

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    "And then you would be arrested. Learn anything about use of force from George Zimmerman?"

    Option A: Report what happened wait an eternity for a police or administrative response. Probable outcome: while I am reporting kids get shot, and I have to play catch up.

    Option B: Kill the would be assassin and go jail.

    Option B seems like the winner to me. At least in that scenario I would know I have done everything within my ability to protect the kids. I can live with consequences more than I can live with doubting my lack of action.
    ""Chance favors the well prepared mind" - Louis Pastuer

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelcarry View Post
    Don't think there would be a jury in this entire country that would convict? We currently live in a country that is an upside down asylum of moral decay and political correctness, regardless of events, that is run by its inmates and those inmates are on juries and those inmates are judges, as well. When an OJ gets off for no reason and the rich in many cases get off for no reason and when judges have become more than followers of the law but feel like they can make law, the idea that "there would not be" in this country is not so certain anymore.
    Do you normally take people's quote's and then edit them out of context to fit your agenda?

    You must have went to Journalism School 101 at MSNBC.......

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  10. Quote Originally Posted by wolf_fire View Post
    There are way too many variables to answer such an open and obtuse question like that.

    I am a teacher.

    I have a plan of attack if their is a known shooter in the building
    I hope you are not an English Teacher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 9mm in Eugene View Post
    I hope you are not an English Teacher.
    I hope you're not a US citizen.

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