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    I have to clarify my post. I was an off-duty sheriff's deputy, and as Slade said, the best gunfight is the one you avoid. I did call a friend of mine who happened to be an on-duty Casa Grande PD officer and told him about the three idiots, and before we pulled out of the parking lot, a patrol car was spotlighting the nooks and crannies of the mall. My wife did not have a permit at that time, because Arizona had not as yet passed the CCW law, and only police and military personnel could carry concealed, in connection with their duties.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wuzfuz View Post
    I have to clarify my post. I was an off-duty sheriff's deputy, and as Slade said, the best gunfight is the one you avoid. I did call a friend of mine who happened to be an on-duty Casa Grande PD officer and told him about the three idiots, and before we pulled out of the parking lot, a patrol car was spotlighting the nooks and crannies of the mall. My wife did not have a permit at that time, because Arizona had not as yet passed the CCW law, and only police and military personnel could carry concealed, in connection with their duties.
    Sounds ike this incident happend years ago. I'm glad that you had a phone in your car to call for help.



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    Quote Originally Posted by tattedupboy View Post
    I do believe in brandishing. Ninety nine times out of a hundred, just the sight of a gun (or in the event of a home invasion, the sound of a round being chambered in a pump shotgun) will stop a BG in his tracks.
    I believe that you have taken the conversation out of its intended application.

    I am sure that there is not a single person in here that would disagree with your statement of the pump shotgun in a home invasion.

    What I was debating was in a CCL scenario.
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    I dont know how the self defense act reads in everyone elses state, but in Oklahoma if someone is fighting you without a weapon you cannot pull your pistol unless:
    they are attempting to get your weapon
    they produce a weapon
    you can articulate "without a shadow of a doubt" that they planned to kill you or your wife, kids, employer, employee, etc..

    If you brandish a weapon to avoid a fistfight, you are held liable in this state for criminal charges

    If you already have your hand on a pistol or have it pulled already, you have hard-wired that the situation is going to be an armed response even if it lands you in prison.

    If someone runs at you and starts punching you in the face, and you shoot them, it is murder and you will do time.

    They really need to have F.A.T.S. (Fire Arms Training Simulator) available to the public, it is a very good learning tool.
    Last edited by Austin; 09-22-2008 at 04:10 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Austin View Post
    I dont know how the self defense act reads in everyone elses state, but in Oklahoma if someone is fighting you without a weapon you cannot pull your pistol unless:
    they are attempting to get your weapon
    they produce a weapon
    you can articulate "without a shadow of a doubt" that they planned to kill you or your wife, kids, employer, employee, etc..

    If you brandish a weapon to avoid a fistfight, you are held liable in this state for criminal charges

    If you already have your hand on a pistol or have it pulled already, you have hard-wired that the situation is going to be an armed response even if it lands you in prison.

    If someone runs at you and starts punching you in the face, and you shoot them, it is murder and you will do time.

    They really need to have F.A.T.S. (Fire Arms Training Simulator) available to the public, it is a very good learning tool.
    Thankfully it is not that way in Texas. A large man could kill a smaller person with his hands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HK4U View Post
    Thankfully it is not that way in Texas. A large man could kill a smaller person with his hands.
    Here in Indiana too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by HK4U View Post
    Thankfully it is not that way in Texas. A large man could kill a smaller person with his hands.
    Please take my word on it that I am not being argumentative with this but:

    You can shoot an unarmed man to death in a Texas street fight and just say that he could have hurt you so you took his life?

    What is to stop people from going around and shooting anyone that upsets them, and just saying that they were attempting to fight you? After all, there is only one story at that point.

    Are you sure that this is the case HK4U??





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    Quote Originally Posted by Austin View Post
    Please take my word on it that I am not being argumentative with this but:

    You can shoot an unarmed man to death in a Texas street fight and just say that he could have hurt you so you took his life?

    What is to stop people from going around and shooting anyone that upsets them, and just saying that they were attempting to fight you? After all, there is only one story at that point.

    Are you sure that this is the case HK4U??





    I might have just come up with a plan to halt illegal immigration in Texas if this is the case
    It would come down to what a reasonable person in that situation would do. If you were say a 5'6" 130 lb. man and was facing attack by a 6'8" 300 lb. hulk and you were convinced in your mind that you were facing sever injury or death then you would be with in your right. In some instances a persons hands are a deadly weapon. Of course in most cases it would be revued by the Grand Jury and the evidence looked at.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Austin View Post
    I dont know how the self defense act reads in everyone elses state, but in Oklahoma if someone is fighting you without a weapon you cannot pull your pistol unless:
    they are attempting to get your weapon
    they produce a weapon
    you can articulate "without a shadow of a doubt" that they planned to kill you or your wife, kids, employer, employee, etc..

    If you brandish a weapon to avoid a fistfight, you are held liable in this state for criminal charges

    If you already have your hand on a pistol or have it pulled already, you have hard-wired that the situation is going to be an armed response even if it lands you in prison.

    If someone runs at you and starts punching you in the face, and you shoot them, it is murder and you will do time.

    They really need to have F.A.T.S. (Fire Arms Training Simulator) available to the public, it is a very good learning tool.
    I agree to the extent that someone is able to flee. If you're old, wheelchair bound, or handicapped and cannot run, and would likely get severely injured if the perp used his fists, then brandishing a weapon to avoid a fistfight is perfectly justifiable.

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    I say kill em all and let god sort them out.

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