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    Quote Originally Posted by Elenor View Post
    Hence the hard-sided suitcase with the wire-mesh around it and a non-TSA lock on the suitcase and mesh. That set-up could not be pulled apart with little or much effort.
    I was mainly thinking of the possibility of running in to a TSA agent that is extremely literal with no imagination. Many of those people in the military, and I'd imagine TSA has it's fair share as well. I wasn't allowed to bring a three month old baby to work to pick up some paperwork! Apparently while he couldn't talk, he was still some sort of security risk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elenor View Post
    Thanks -- were you using a TSA-accessible lock on your suitcase and a non-TSA lock on the gun case? My understanding is that a non-TSA lock on the suitcase serves as the locked hard case.
    Correct.

    Quote Originally Posted by apvbguy View Post
    the container the gun is put in must be locked with a lock that only you can open and then carried in luggage that can be opened by the TSA, failure to comply will cause you to not be able to transport your guns.
    If the suitcase is hard sided, locked without a tsa lock, and can not be pried into, that is sufficient.

    A rifle in a rifle case locked is also sufficient without being inside another case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by telpinaro View Post
    I was mainly thinking of the possibility of running in to a TSA agent that is extremely literal with no imagination. Many of those people in the military, and I'd imagine TSA has it's fair share as well. I wasn't allowed to bring a three month old baby to work to pick up some paperwork! Apparently while he couldn't talk, he was still some sort of security risk.
    A hard sided suitcase is literally a hard sided case though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firefighterchen View Post
    The hard sided suitcase with a non tsa lock is sufficient as a gun case. ... Once the firearm is declared and you have the firearm locked in the case, tsa can not lawfully open your case.
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    As for whether the mesh covering will give away your bag is really up to how the airport deals with handling. At Salt Lake City airport they have a tsa agent hand deliver the luggage directly into the plane, never in the hands of airport personnel. Other airports do send the bag through airport personnel, and in my mind, the mesh will add a deterrent effect most bad guys won't bother trying to pry into, especially with your own lock on the mesh and another on the suitcase.
    This was my feeling about it -- even if it marks out my suitcase as 'likely to have something someone would like to steal, the mesh means they're unlikely to get in. I read somewhere (I've been reading like mad!) that there might be a concern that the mesh could get caught up in some equipment -- but I think since it's cinched down tight around the case, it will stick out less than a handle.

    Quote Originally Posted by Firefighterchen View Post
    I have never flown with a hard sided suitcase, but I have had one airport go through my soft sided suitcase again. They couldn't open my firearm case which was wrapped through my entire suitcase and all my valuables with a 5k lb cable. The only reason I knew they went through it was they left a tsa note saying they searched my bag again. If I had a hard sided suitcase locked with my firearm inside, they would either need me or an officer present to cut the personal lock, and they wouldn't have justification after it has been declared and visually inspected by the tsa and counter agents.
    That's what I hope to 'enforce.'

    Quote Originally Posted by Firefighterchen View Post
    You seem ready for your flight, much much more so than the normal first time fliers posts, be confident in your knowledge and never let them have your key or combination.
    Thanks, I tend to way over-research anything that's important -- because if you know as much as you can, you're less likely to miss something or leave something out. And I am just *vehement* about making sure my gun is under my active control.


    Quote Originally Posted by Firefighterchen View Post
    They will have you sign a declaration page which goes along side but not in your gun case, and in your situation you will probably have to attach it to the outside of your case which will just be a large gun case itself. You might want to have a sleeve you can put the declaration in so it's not visible from the outside but they will see it when they X-ray your bag.
    Oh! GREAT point! I had not thought of that, but having it on the outside would be required...

    Quote Originally Posted by Firefighterchen View Post
    I do recommend those nano size vaults too (what you would use in a car) and use that cable to secure the box inside the suitcase and not worry about locking the entire suitcase.
    In the car I have it in my purse, and my purse fastened through my seatbelt. (Yes, I know, a purse is a bad choice, but it has to do for now.)

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    http://www.tsa.gov/traveler-informat...and-ammunition

    Elenor, I also suggest in your situation that you request they, tsa and airline personnel, search your bag in your presence while checking in if they don't all ready do so. That way they have no reason to search your bag later.

    For instance, SLC just checked my locked container and all zippers didn't have any exposure residue on it before sending it in hand to my plane. One agent at SLC did check through my bag in my presence. After the check, no one was allowed in my bag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firefighterchen View Post
    A hard sided suitcase is literally a hard sided case though.

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    I get it, and thanks for the info. I wasn't sure it would count, which is why I originally answered that way. You never know with some places... I suppose I'm a little extra paranoid because the only place I've flown in the past couple years was California. Can't even bring them there! Here in CO registration is technically illegal (for now, anyway--who knows what will happen), so all my guns are illegal in CA!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elenor View Post
    This was my feeling about it -- even if it marks out my suitcase as 'likely to have something someone would like to steal, the mesh means they're unlikely to get in. I read somewhere (I've been reading like mad!) that there might be a concern that the mesh could get caught up in some equipment -- but I think since it's cinched down tight around the case, it will stick out less than a handle.

    That's what I hope to 'enforce.'

    Thanks, I tend to way over-research anything that's important -- because if you know as much as you can, you're less likely to miss something or leave something out. And I am just *vehement* about making sure my gun is under my active control.


    Oh! GREAT point! I had not thought of that, but having it on the outside would be required...

    In the car I have it in my purse, and my purse fastened through my seatbelt. (Yes, I know, a purse is a bad choice, but it has to do for now.)
    Just remember the case can not be pried open. I've had one case they could barely lift a corner up, they told me they would let it go this flight but I would need a new case by my next flight. Your suitcase needs to be secure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firefighterchen View Post
    Firearms and Ammunition | Transportation Security Administration
    Elenor, I also suggest in your situation that you request they, tsa and airline personnel, search your bag in your presence while checking in if they don't all ready do so. That way they have no reason to search your bag later.
    For instance, SLC just checked my locked container and all zippers didn't have any exposure residue on it before sending it in hand to my plane. One agent at SLC did check through my bag in my presence. After the check, no one was allowed in my bag.
    What a great idea! Thanks, I'll do that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by telpinaro View Post
    I was mainly thinking of the possibility of running in to a TSA agent that is extremely literal with no imagination. Many of those people in the military, and I'd imagine TSA has it's fair share as well. I wasn't allowed to bring a three month old baby to work to pick up some paperwork! Apparently while he couldn't talk, he was still some sort of security risk.
    I dunno, they make some VERY realistic dolls these days... ��
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  11. Elenor,

    The best idea, in my humble opinion, is to make your suitcase look like every other suitcase on the carousel so nobody sees a reason to steal it. Thousands, of people fly each and every day with a simple locked pistol case (non-TSA lock) inside standard luggage locked with either a TSA lock, or not locked at all. In my humble opinion all you are going to do is raise suspicion with all your "extras", TSA is either going to break into your suitcase anyway, or call you to unlock it for them, they are going to finger your undies anyway, with you standing there and you are going to miss your flight. Really - in this case, I would suggest doing it like 99% of the other thousands of travelers do every day and save yourself having to spend your time with TSA while they inspect your suitcase and keeping your bag from looking like a desirable target for thieves.

    Very, very, very few people have problems with a $10 pistol case locked with a master padlock or two stuck inside a normal suitcase.
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