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  1. #51
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    NavyCdr:
    You probably were not aware that the action of loading and concealing the gun inside the airport terminal in Florida violates Florida state law...
    On the contrary, I am very aware of it. I read the laws very carefully. However, I deny the state or federal government "permission" to remove my right of self-defense, when they have made clear THEY have no particular or specific interest in replacing it! If I am not able to 'refuse to patronize' places that wish to make me vulnerable, then to the maximum extent I am able, I continue to provide for my own safety.

    It is my (actually, very UNcomfortable) decision to violate man's law in order to observe Nature's law. It's a 'roll of the dice' with a really horrendous downside, should I be called upon to defend myself in such a place. I'm not 100% sure the benefit equals or outweighs the detriment, but it's a gamble I feel I must make. Having read Andrew Branca's (terribly dismaying book) The Law of Self Defense, I have no question that the detriments of having the ability, and choosing, to defend myself would be horrendous. I make the determination for myself that the detriments of allowing myself to be unarmed in a bad area (an area advertising itself as a victim-zone) outweigh (even if only slightly) the detriments of any possible 'clean-up' afterwards.

    (I do not recommend that course to anyone who has not become knowledgeable about the 'clean-up' -- and the possibility that a self-defensive action violating 'man's law' cannot BE cleaned up, and that it may cost more money than one has -- and result in punishment one will not come through unscathed. *I* make the determination for myself that the chance of being called upon to "brandish" [disgusted frown] my weapon to prevent an assault is a worthwhile gamble. I always acknowledge it is a gamble -- especially in this police state! As I wrote above: a very UNcomfortable decision!)

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  3. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by Firefighterchen View Post
    Is the baggage claim considered inside the terminal or sterile area? I didn't think it was, I thought the terminals and sterile areas were behind the screening areas.
    my friend, don't try to make a simple law complicated. the law in FLA is that no firearm (except one packed for transport) shall be brought inside any terminal building. in other words no guns inside the terminal regardless of it being outside or inside the sterile areas.
    like others have noted she was in violation of the law and in gun unfriendly miami she most certainly would have been detained or arrested

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Elenor View Post
    I've been reading and studying and planning... I'm flying Delta from Atlanta to Ft Lauderdale (and later, back) in mid-December. I'm bringing my S&W 9mm because I'm driving around by myself (old-ish white lady) and I do not like to be disarmed. My CC license covers me in both states; and of course I'm bringing copies of the laws in both states with me. (And my CC license, and copies of the TSA laws and the Delta rules...)

    Please, can anyone tell me if I'm over-preparing or doing it just about right?

    I've got a hard plastic case for my gun, but it's not lockable. I chose that because I've also bought a hard-sided carry-on suitcase (that I will check) and (my reading leads me to conclude) if I do NOT lock the gun case itself inside a suitcase, then I can (or, rather, "must") use a non-TSA lock on that suitcase itself. Because I'm also not comfortable that the suitcase zipper and the expansion zipper are secure (enough), I am also planning to use the PacSafe 55L (wire security mesh) with a non-TSA lock around the entire hard-case suitcase.

    Does that seem reasonable? (Does that seem like it will or won't raise all kinds of flags from both/either TSA or the baggage-handling apes?) I'm not at all comfortable with the idea of putting a locked handgun case in an easily opened suitcase -- hard or soft-sided. (The fact that it keeps any (out-of-sight) TSA from pawing through my cloths is also a benefit!)

    Glad to be here, hope I can get some advice,
    Elenor

    p.s., I am packing the ammo out of the mag; just enough ammo to fill two mags, in a factory box in an unlocked plastic box in the checked hard-sided suitcase.
    Just watch this Video...
    Deviant Ollam - Packing and the Friendly Skies - LayerOne 2009 - YouTube

    Remember to all that fly, DO not go to NEW YORK! you will be arrested...

  5. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLCDR View Post
    You probably were not aware that the action of loading and concealing the gun inside the airport terminal in Florida violates Florida state law Title XLVI, Chapter 790.(12).(a).14:

    Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine
    790.06 License to carry concealed weapon or firearm.
    (12)(a) A license issued under this section does not authorize any person to openly carry a handgun or carry a concealed weapon or firearm into:
    14. The inside of the passenger terminal
    and sterile area of any airport, provided that no person shall be prohibited from carrying any legal firearm into the terminal, which firearm is encased for shipment for purposes of checking such firearm as baggage to be lawfully transported on any aircraft;
    Baggage claims aren't within the "inside of the passenger terminal" or "sterile area" you've already passed back though the checkpoints and are in open airport at that point.

  6. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by snatale42 View Post
    Baggage claims aren't within the "inside of the passenger terminal" or "sterile area" you've already passed back though the checkpoints and are in open airport at that point.
    using that kind of foolish analysis will get your butt tossed into jail in FLA and many other states

  7. #56
    Why is it foolish? I know for a fact that's the way it is here in VA, and Florida SPECIFICALLY stated "inside the passenger terminal" and "sterile area" it would have made much more sense to just make Airports off limits for CC if that's what they truly wanted, don't you think? No room for opinion there! Nothing foolish about reading comprehension, A baggage claim is NOT inside of a "passenger terminal" and it's NOT a "sterile area". I've read a couple conflicting things on FL airport carry, but by word of law it's like everywhere else. Now whether they actually follow their own word of law or make it up as they go like NY and NJ airports, I don't know.

  8. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by snatale42 View Post
    Why is it foolish? I know for a fact that's the way it is here in VA, and Florida SPECIFICALLY stated "inside the passenger terminal" and "sterile area" it would have made much more sense to just make Airports off limits for CC if that's what they truly wanted, don't you think? No room for opinion there! Nothing foolish about reading comprehension, A baggage claim is NOT inside of a "passenger terminal" and it's NOT a "sterile area".
    you seem to be the one with the comprehension issues, in fla the terminal building is the entire structure that contains airport passenger operations. from the time you cross the threshold of the building you are inside the terminal. the mentioning of sterile areas is redundant, ticket counters or baggage areas are inside terminals regardless their being outside of sterile or secure areas of the terminal. your odd interpretation of where the baggage area is, is a surefire ticket to visiting jail and a judge.
    the law is so simple even a twit should be able to understand it. Firearms are not permitted insider any airport terminal building in florida.

  9. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by Elenor View Post
    NavyCdr:

    On the contrary, I am very aware of it. I read the laws very carefully. However, I deny the state or federal government "permission" to remove my right of self-defense, when they have made clear THEY have no particular or specific interest in replacing it! If I am not able to 'refuse to patronize' places that wish to make me vulnerable, then to the maximum extent I am able, I continue to provide for my own safety.

    It is my (actually, very UNcomfortable) decision to violate man's law in order to observe Nature's law. It's a 'roll of the dice' with a really horrendous downside, should I be called upon to defend myself in such a place. I'm not 100% sure the benefit equals or outweighs the detriment, but it's a gamble I feel I must make. Having read Andrew Branca's (terribly dismaying book) The Law of Self Defense, I have no question that the detriments of having the ability, and choosing, to defend myself would be horrendous. I make the determination for myself that the detriments of allowing myself to be unarmed in a bad area (an area advertising itself as a victim-zone) outweigh (even if only slightly) the detriments of any possible 'clean-up' afterwards.

    (I do not recommend that course to anyone who has not become knowledgeable about the 'clean-up' -- and the possibility that a self-defensive action violating 'man's law' cannot BE cleaned up, and that it may cost more money than one has -- and result in punishment one will not come through unscathed. *I* make the determination for myself that the chance of being called upon to "brandish" [disgusted frown] my weapon to prevent an assault is a worthwhile gamble. I always acknowledge it is a gamble -- especially in this police state! As I wrote above: a very UNcomfortable decision!)
    next time it would be wiser to wait until you exit the actual structure to arm up.

  10. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by apvbguy View Post
    you seem to be the one with the comprehension issues, in fla the terminal building is the entire structure that contains airport passenger operations. from the time you cross the threshold of the building you are inside the terminal. the mentioning of sterile areas is redundant, ticket counters or baggage areas are inside terminals regardless their being outside of sterile or secure areas of the terminal. your odd interpretation of where the baggage area is, is a surefire ticket to visiting jail and a judge.
    the law is so simple even a twit should be able to understand it. Firearms are not permitted insider any airport terminal building in florida.
    Please cite where Florida law specifically renames the sections of Airports. As somebody that used to work in an airport I assure you that a baggage claims and other "common areas" aka non-secure area's are NOT a Terminal. A Terminal is the area specifically controlled by the Airlines and not the Airport themselves. A "Sterile Area" would be the Terminal or Gate, Tarmac, Control Tower, Airstrips etc. This is why there is a security checkpoint to enter them vs the rest of the airport. IF Florida actually legally re-designates this and pretends that the ENTIRE airport is a terminal (which I doubt because the law wouldn't be worded that way) fine, Please site that law, and then I will know for future reference. This seems like my home state of MA where 90% of gun owners and 8/10 Police will tell you that Open Carry is illegal, and many people have their days wrecked for doing it......BUT IT'S NOT!!!!!


    Sterile Area: As defined in Title 49 CFR 1540.5, “…a portion of an airport defined in the airport
    security program that provides passengers access to boarding aircraft and to which the access generally
    is controlled by TSA.”

  11. #60
    the only response I can give to someone this dense is for him to walk into an airport terminal building in FLA, find a cop or security guard and then discreetly mention to the cop or guard that you are carrying a firearm, then please let us know how things go from that point.

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