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    Here in Texas a no guns allowed sign means nothing. It must be the states "official" sign. If it is not I ignore it. If it is a place that I can not carry, unless I absolutely have to, I do not go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by netentity View Post
    Saw this on another forum. Carry whenever possible or it may just be your unlucky day. You're going to get involved in a vehicle accident when you forget to put your seat belt on. You are going to be a victim of a violent crime when you're not carrying and you should be.

    Pack it or be prepared to pack it in.

    Finally, I found the info. I wasn't wrong. My instructor wasn't wrong. Tony DeMeo, Nye County's Sheriff isn't wrong. See this article in the Nye County Newspaper, "The Pahrump Valley Times" April 22, 2005 issue, titled "Right to bear arms always exercised in Nye County" a blurb of which is pasted below. The restrictions below are for open carry as the article states. If we cannot open carry then we also cannot concealed carry. Both casinos and courthouses are restricted areas in Nye county. I sure don't want to know that someone didn't know the law and came over the hump to Pahrump from Las Vegas and carried into a casino. (Well, I'd laugh if one person did.)

    BTW, Ray, the fellow in the article, still stands on Highway 160 or Highway 372 nearly every day while wearing his 6 shooters and waving a flag on a 6-foot pole. He's a really nice fellow.

    Quoted from the article:
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    And the question always comes up as to the locations where a person cannot carry a firearm. The following are the places that firearms without a doubt are not permitted:

    (a) While on the premises of a public building that is located on the property of a public airport.

    (b) While on the premises of a public building that is located on the property of a public school or the property of the Nevada Higher Education System. This also includes public school buses.

    (c) While on the premises of a casino

    (d) While in the premise of a courthouse or courtroom.
    ...
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    What a hack...

    Quote Originally Posted by gdcleanfun View Post
    Finally, I found the info. I wasn't wrong. My instructor wasn't wrong. Tony DeMeo, Nye County's Sheriff isn't wrong. See this article in the Nye County Newspaper, "The Pahrump Valley Times" April 22, 2005 issue, titled "Right to bear arms always exercised in Nye County" a blurb of which is pasted below. The restrictions below are for open carry as the article states. If we cannot open carry then we also cannot concealed carry. Both casinos and courthouses are restricted areas in Nye county. I sure don't want to know that someone didn't know the law and came over the hump to Pahrump from Las Vegas and carried into a casino. (Well, I'd laugh if one person did.)

    BTW, Ray, the fellow in the article, still stands on Highway 160 or Highway 372 nearly every day while wearing his 6 shooters and waving a flag on a 6-foot pole. He's a really nice fellow.

    Quoted from the article:
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    And the question always comes up as to the locations where a person cannot carry a firearm. The following are the places that firearms without a doubt are not permitted:

    (a) While on the premises of a public building that is located on the property of a public airport.

    (b) While on the premises of a public building that is located on the property of a public school or the property of the Nevada Higher Education System. This also includes public school buses.

    (c) While on the premises of a casino

    (d) While in the premise of a courthouse or courtroom.
    ...
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    What a hack. He's a reporter, not a LEO, attorney, legislator, judge or CCW instructor. I cite State law. I wouldn't trust your DA's office for advice since your DA will be answering to DUI charges in CA. If your instructor is relying upon the media for their information they need to be put out of business. Tony DeMeo has been the Sheriff most likely to be contacted by a State legislator, pro-firearm organization or the Nevada Sheriffs and Chiefs Assocation for violating State law with respect to the issuance of NV CFPs. He hasn't been sued yet. When Sheriff DeMeo is called on State law, he backs down really quick. There are several threads on here of his abuses. I also CCW'd in a Pahrump casino recently. It was not posted that I saw, granted I don't really look since it has no force of law outside of simple trespass in this State.

    Here's what State law says;

    NRS 202.3673 Permittee authorized to carry concealed firearm while on premises of public building; exceptions; penalty.

    1. Except as otherwise provided in subsections 2 and 3, a permittee may carry a concealed firearm while he is on the premises of any public building.

    2. A permittee shall not carry a concealed firearm while he is on the premises of a public building that is located on the property of a public airport.

    3. A permittee shall not carry a concealed firearm while he is on the premises of:

    (a) A public building that is located on the property of a public school or a child care facility or the property of the Nevada System of Higher Education, unless the permittee has obtained written permission to carry a concealed firearm while he is on the premises of the public building pursuant to subparagraph (3) of paragraph (a) of subsection 3 of NRS 202.265.

    (b) A public building that has a metal detector at each public entrance or a sign posted at each public entrance indicating that no firearms are allowed in the building, unless the permittee is not prohibited from carrying a concealed firearm while he is on the premises of the public building pursuant to subsection 4.

    4. The provisions of paragraph (b) of subsection 3 do not prohibit:

    (a) A permittee who is a judge from carrying a concealed firearm in the courthouse or courtroom in which he presides or from authorizing a permittee to carry a concealed firearm while in the courtroom of the judge and while traveling to and from the courtroom of the judge.

    (b) A permittee who is a prosecuting attorney of an agency or political subdivision of the United States or of this State from carrying a concealed firearm while he is on the premises of a public building.

    (c) A permittee who is employed in the public building from carrying a concealed firearm while he is on the premises of the public building.

    (d) A permittee from carrying a concealed firearm while he is on the premises of the public building if the permittee has received written permission from the person in control of the public building to carry a concealed firearm while the permittee is on the premises of the public building.
    5. A person who violates subsection 2 or 3 is guilty of a misdemeanor.

    6. As used in this section:

    (a) “Child care facility” has the meaning ascribed to it in paragraph (a) of subsection 5 of NRS 202.265.

    (b) “Public building” means any building or office space occupied by:

    (1) Any component of the Nevada System of Higher Education and used for any purpose related to the System; or

    (2) The Federal Government, the State of Nevada or any county, city, school district or other political subdivision of the State of Nevada and used for any public purpose. If only part of the building is occupied by an entity described in this subsection, the term means only that portion of the building which is so occupied.
    (Added to NRS by 1995, 2725; A 1997, 63; 1999, 2767; 2007, 1914)
    No where does State law specify a casino as a prohibited area nor does the LVMPD CFP page nor does the Washoe County Sheriff CFP page.
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    Yup, you're right, he's a reporter. But he's reporting the same thing my instructor taught. And, you are correct in citing the state law, but incorrect in thinking that it's always the case. T here are exceptions. (Seems as if there are always exceptions, n'est pas?) State law doesn't tell us that we cannot conceal carry in North Las Vegas. But that's the law in North Las Vegas. That law was grandfathered in. When you drive the I15 through North Las Vegas and you carry you are subject to arrest. State law does not tell us we cannot carry concealed in Boulder City. But that's the law in Boulder City. So, we do have some exceptions. Aren't the exceptions what usually trip us up?

    As well, Las Vegas is in a completely different county than Pahrump. OMG, never ever say that their laws are our laws, or that all of Nevada is just an extension of Las Vegas. If you think they do, or that it is so, then go ahead and tell me that prostitution is legal there in Las Vegas. It's certainly not, but it is legal here in Nye County.

    To say that it's legal to carry everywhere in Nevada isn't a good idea, especially when said to an LEO. That would be like saying that you think prostitution is legal everywhere in Nevada. It's certainly not, though many people from California think so. I'm from California, once upon a long time ago, and I thought so. Now I know better.

    I hope you enjoyed your breakfast. Have you tried breakfast at Mom's Cafe?

    By the way, how did the Nye County DA get into this? That's a bit off topic, me thinks, and possibly fodder for a different forum, yes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gdcleanfun View Post
    Yup, you're right, he's a reporter. But he's reporting the same thing my instructor taught. And, you are correct in citing the state law, but incorrect in thinking that it's always the case. T here are exceptions.
    It is State law now as of the first of this year. The only county code that is still existance is the Clark County handgun registration code. The only reason LVMPD won't let that die is they will lose a portion of their budget for their Firearm Unit dealing with handgun registration. That was also modified by SB92 to make it much more visitor friendly. The respective State laws that were changed by SB92 are NRS 244.364, 268.418 and 269.222. Those statutes dictate by the State what a county, city and town can do with respect to the regulation of firearms and ammunition. Bottom line is they can't. Any codes or ordinances on the books except from the Clark County handgun registration code were invalidated by State law. I also went to renew my NV CFP at the LVMPD CCW Detail last week. They no longer ask for your blue cards. It appears that the firearms on your permit no longer need to be registered to you. I'll clarify that when I see Sgt Johnson to get added to the LVMPD CFP instructor list.
    (Seems as if there are always exceptions, n'est pas?) State law doesn't tell us that we cannot conceal carry in North Las Vegas. But that's the law in North Las Vegas. That law was grandfathered in.
    The North Las Vegas deadly weapon codes exempted permit holders. They only effected open and vehicle carry by non-permit holders.
    When you drive the I15 through North Las Vegas and you carry you are subject to arrest. State law does not tell us we cannot carry concealed in Boulder City. But that's the law in Boulder City. So, we do have some exceptions. Aren't the exceptions what usually trip us up?
    SB92 invalidated everything but the Clark County handgun registration code. Also NLVPD does not enforce the traffic laws on I-15, NHP does. NHP does not enforce NLV codes, only State law.
    As well, Las Vegas is in a completely different county than Pahrump. OMG, never ever say that their laws are our laws, or that all of Nevada is just an extension of Las Vegas. If you think they do, or that it is so, then go ahead and tell me that prostitution is legal there in Las Vegas. It's certainly not, but it is legal here in Nye County.
    Not anymore with respect to firearms by State law. We have a strong State preemption law.
    To say that it's legal to carry everywhere in Nevada isn't a good idea, especially when said to an LEO. That would be like saying that you think prostitution is legal everywhere in Nevada. It's certainly not, though many people from California think so. I'm from California, once upon a long time ago, and I thought so. Now I know better.
    It is State law that dictates that legal brothels can only be in rural areas under NRS 244.345. Mayor Oscar Goodman would like to see that changed so we can put one on the Fremont Street experience. Nye County doesn't want that changed as it would be bad for business there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by netentity View Post
    It is State law now as of the first of this year. The only county code that is still existance is the Clark County handgun registration code. The only reason LVMPD won't let that die is they will lose a portion of their budget for their Firearm Unit dealing with handgun registration. That was also modified by SB92 to make it much more visitor friendly. The respective State laws that were changed by SB92 are NRS 244.364, 268.418 and 269.222. Those statutes dictate by the State what a county, city and town can do with respect to the regulation of firearms and ammunition. Bottom line is they can't. Any codes or ordinances on the books except from the Clark County handgun registration code were invalidated by State law. I also went to renew my NV CFP at the LVMPD CCW Detail last week. They no longer ask for your blue cards. It appears that the firearms on your permit no longer need to be registered to you. I'll clarify that when I see Sgt Johnson to get added to the LVMPD CFP instructor list.

    The North Las Vegas deadly weapon codes exempted permit holders. They only effected open and vehicle carry by non-permit holders.

    SB92 invalidated everything but the Clark County handgun registration code. Also NLVPD does not enforce the traffic laws on I-15, NHP does. NHP does not enforce NLV codes, only State law.

    Not anymore with respect to firearms by State law. We have a strong State preemption law.

    It is State that dictates that legal brothels can only be in rural areas under NRS 244.345. Mayor Oscar Goodman would like to see that changed so we can put one on the Fremont Street experience. Nye County doesn't want that changed as it would be bad for business there.
    Hmmm, well then, it looks like my instructor needs to be instructed. Thanks for the updates. What a hack back atcha.

    Sorry, what is a blue card?

    I'm shaking my head at my goof on LVMPD and the I15. I know that, I meant to say that. I was thinking the city and I cited the freeway. Mea culpa. I'm human.

    It's nice to know that the state is taking charge of the whole state. Now if we can just tug on California's ear...

    Oscar Goodman is also human. But, so is the owner of The Kingdom, or more commonly called,"The Castle." Does he believe that prostitution is supposed to be in rural areas? Maybe he's just another misinformed Pahrumpian. Tee hee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gdcleanfun View Post
    Hmmm, well then, it looks like my instructor needs to be instructed. Thanks for the updates. What a hack back atcha.
    A good instructor will follow what applies now; not rubber stamp what he's been told by the sheriff that certified them to conduct classes and qualify permit applicants. I follow the State laws and the legislature closely. I attend the Nevada Sheriffs and Sheriffs and Chiefs Association sponsored CCW forums. I keep informed. If your instructor does not do that and provide a resource to their alumni to check current issues with respect to CCW they are doing their students a great disservice. The only reason I don't have a JD and a practing attorney is because I don't have the patience to go through law school.
    Sorry, what is a blue card?
    Clark County handgun registration card. They only exist here for Clark County residents and we want them to go away. They will eventually. We have bigger fish to fry.
    Now if we can just tug on California's ear...
    What ear? CA never had RKBA in their State Constitution.
    Oscar Goodman is also human. But, so is the owner of The Kingdom, or more commonly called,"The Castle." Does he believe that prostitution is supposed to be in rural areas? Maybe he's just another misinformed Pahrumpian. Tee hee.
    Oscar wants anything that's good for Vegas. He sees the revenue associated with legalized prostitution in Vegas. That's why he wants it here. I can't disagree with him. He's been a very good mayor. While term limits weed out the bad apples, they also eliminate the good candidates.
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    Quote:
    Now if we can just tug on California's ear...
    What ear? CA never had RKBA in their State Constitution.


    I guess I could elaborate...
    They have no RKBA - that's my point. Someday, maybe, just maybe, the people and the state of California will understand what it means when the Supreme Court holds that the Second Amendment is not just about hunting and that citizen carry means lower crime rates. The citizenry and those in power there "jes dun gettit." They need a wake up call and I don't mean an e-quake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by netentity View Post
    It is State law now as of the first of this year. The only county code that is still existance is the Clark County handgun registration code. The only reason LVMPD won't let that die is they will lose a portion of their budget for their Firearm Unit dealing with handgun registration. That was also modified by SB92 to make it much more visitor friendly. The respective State laws that were changed by SB92 are NRS 244.364, 268.418 and 269.222. Those statutes dictate by the State what a county, city and town can do with respect to the regulation of firearms and ammunition. Bottom line is they can't. Any codes or ordinances on the books except from the Clark County handgun registration code were invalidated by State law. I also went to renew my NV CFP at the LVMPD CCW Detail last week. They no longer ask for your blue cards. It appears that the firearms on your permit no longer need to be registered to you. I'll clarify that when I see Sgt Johnson to get added to the LVMPD CFP instructor list.

    The North Las Vegas deadly weapon codes exempted permit holders. They only effected open and vehicle carry by non-permit holders.

    SB92 invalidated everything but the Clark County handgun registration code. Also NLVPD does not enforce the traffic laws on I-15, NHP does. NHP does not enforce NLV codes, only State law.

    Not anymore with respect to firearms by State law. We have a strong State preemption law.

    It is State law that dictates that legal brothels can only be in rural areas under NRS 244.345. Mayor Oscar Goodman would like to see that changed so we can put one on the Fremont Street experience. Nye County doesn't want that changed as it would be bad for business there.

    So does this mean that if I have a permit from FL, which NV now honors, I can carry concealed firearm in places like North Las Vegas since the new state law invalidates their previous ordinances?



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    I will no longer rely on that instructor and I'll go back to my normal practice of researching things for myself as I used to do all those years as a paralegal. I won't slip again!

    I found a site online that offers the NRS. I'l look for one that has state bills. I would like to read if the law was changed to include only the categories of pistol and revolver rather than the specific firearm piece that we'd like to carry.

    Thanks again for the update.

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