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    I'm going to help you out, gdcleanfun. Just because someone doesn't follow the Democratic Party platform 100% that does not mean that they aren't liberal at their cores. For instance you mostly support the platform sans your support for gun rights. In my mind it means you're not on the far fringe of the party, but it doesn't mean you aren't liberal, either. The same goes for conservatives. Just because they don't follow the platform of the Republican Party 100% (ie., Pat Buchanan's opposition to the Iraq War), that doesn't mean they aren't conservative at their very core.

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  3. Wow Festus, your own sermon or cut and paste?

    Lets examine the bible then ...

    God of peace……

    He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal. John 12:25

    Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. Matt 5:5

    But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. Matt 5:39

    Or man of war ……

    Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: .. The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. Luke 12:51,53

    Was Jesus really forthright and here to save all that would heed …

    Jesus answered him, I spake openly to the world; I ever taught in the synagogue, and in the temple, whither the Jews always resort; and in secret have I said nothing", John 18:20

    Or did he have a hidden agenda just for those he really thought were cool …..

    "And his disciples asked him saying, 'What might this parable be?' And he said, "Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand." Luke 8:9-10

    Lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.", Mark 4:12

    Are we saved by Grace, Faith, Works, Baptism, or because we got lucky and won the God Jackpot!

    Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. Gal 2:16.

    For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. Eph 2:8,9.

    What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? James 2:14.

    Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. James 2:17. And again later, Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. James 2:24.

    He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. Mark 16:16

    NEITHER! You have to be one of the lucky ones chosen at Gods pleasure.

    Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself: That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: Eph 1:9-11.

    Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. Rom 8:30

    The Heaven Lotto! Nightly drawings, you should be so lucky to get picked!! Stay in good with JC and he’ll provide the intro.

    At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight. Matt 11:25,26

    All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him." Matt 11:27.


    On the other hand some of us were created only to be destroyed.

    For it was of the LORD to harden their hearts, that they should come against Israel in battle, that he might destroy them utterly, and that they might have no favor, but that he might destroy them, as the LORD commanded Moses. Josh 11:20

    (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;) ….. As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. Rom 9:11-18

    Once saved no one can tear us from Gods hand, not even the devil, but it sounds like he might have butter fingers and let us slip out on his own. Why would he do that!

    And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand." John 10:28,29.

    For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. Heb 6:4-6.

    The rules for the winners, this is one tough act!! BTW – Do these things and I can buy it, don’t and there just is no magic. Hey, what did Paul do to merit Jesus favor but kill Christians? Are we all not worthy of our own Damascus road experience? Testify!!

    Therefore, be perfect, just as your father in heaven is perfect. Mat 5:48

    Behold, I give to you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall hurt you in any way. Luke 10:19

    And Jesus said to them... if you all have faith even like a grain of mustard seed, you all shall say to this mountain, "Move away to another place", and it shall move. And nothing shall be impossible to you. Mat 17:20

    It is good for a man not to touch a woman... 1st Cor 7:1 (God has a sense of humour, she must be a chick!!)

    Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection, but I allow not a woman to teach, nor to have authority over man, but to be in silence. 1st Tim 2:11-12 (oops, guess not)

    Oh, and then there’s this. God is a misogynist I guess.

    Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything. Eph 5:22-24

    But in the end isn’t really about the judging. Keeping this country on the path of god and smiting those that don’t agree. Forcing our beliefs on others against their free will (free will is a myth as we saw in Eph 1). Besides, ranting against sin is so much more fun than reaching out to the poor, helpless and needy. They shoulda planned better.

    Rom 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother?
    "Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.' “They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?' "He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.' Matt 25:41-45

    Obama, say what!?!
    You shall not blaspheme God, nor curse the ruler of your people. Ex 22:28

    Even Job, a perfect and upright man had reason to fear God. Which leave this nonchristian atheist to her own little testimony.

    But he is in one mind, and who can turn him? and what his soul desireth, even that he doeth. For he performeth the thing that is appointed for me: and many such things are with him. Therefore am I troubled at his presence: when I consider, I am afraid of him". Job 23:13-15

    I grew up in the church. I’ve seen it at it’s very best from the inside and found it lacking. How could someone with the message and power to save souls from an eternity in hell care so much more for the temporal? When Christians decide that no mission could be greater than to tell everyone they have great news, the one and only way to avoid hell, open to all who believe; When Christians treat sin as something to be saved from and not condemned to; When Christians care more about helping and giving, less about riches and their possessions; When Christians are concerned enough about lost souls that socialism, guns, gay marriage, and abortions don’t matter, because they know that saved people will reject it; then I will see proof that Jesus saves and converts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tattedupboy View Post
    I'm going to help you out, gdcleanfun. Just because someone doesn't follow the Democratic Party platform 100% that does not mean that they aren't liberal at their cores. For instance you mostly support the platform sans your support for gun rights. In my mind it means you're not on the far fringe of the party, but it doesn't mean you aren't liberal, either. The same goes for conservatives. Just because they don't follow the platform of the Republican Party 100% (ie., Pat Buchanan's opposition to the Iraq War), that doesn't mean they aren't conservative at their very core.
    Exactly, tattedupboy. Very well said.

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    Whew, what was unleashed here? I just wanted to get across the notion that being a liberal didn't mean that I should be thought of as wrong or incorrect. I have my views, everyone has their own views, but no one deserves to be thought of as bad for having their own views, morals, or values. I was getting miffed at being called "wrong" or worse just because I'm a liberal. I just thought that it would prevent some arguments if some people were thought of as anti-2A rather than as people who could be bashed because of their liberal stance on most everything else. I hope I didn't step too heavily on toes. That wasn't my intent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tattedupboy View Post
    Well, at least you do have guns in common with us, gdcleanfun. After all, that's why we're all here, isn't it? I, for one, am glad you're here with us, even if I do disagree with your position on abortion.
    Tattedupboy, yes, that is why we are all here, because we all believe in the 2A rights to bear arms. It is not necessary that we all agree on all other things. It would surely make for a very dull world if we did. Thank you, I'm glad to be here, and glad that you are here also, and glad that we have this forum on which we can discuss these things. There are many parts and places in the world where one would be shot or drawn and quartered or even stoned to death for discussing the issues we raise. Long live America!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bryarush View Post
    Wow Festus, your own sermon or cut and paste?

    Lets examine the bible then ...

    God of peace……

    He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal. John 12:25

    Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. Matt 5:5

    But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. Matt 5:39

    Or man of war ……

    Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: .. The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. Luke 12:51,53

    Was Jesus really forthright and here to save all that would heed …

    Jesus answered him, I spake openly to the world; I ever taught in the synagogue, and in the temple, whither the Jews always resort; and in secret have I said nothing", John 18:20

    Or did he have a hidden agenda just for those he really thought were cool …..

    "And his disciples asked him saying, 'What might this parable be?' And he said, "Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand." Luke 8:9-10

    Lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.", Mark 4:12

    Are we saved by Grace, Faith, Works, Baptism, or because we got lucky and won the God Jackpot!

    Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. Gal 2:16.

    For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. Eph 2:8,9.

    What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? James 2:14.

    Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. James 2:17. And again later, Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. James 2:24.

    He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. Mark 16:16

    NEITHER! You have to be one of the lucky ones chosen at Gods pleasure.

    Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself: That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: Eph 1:9-11.

    Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. Rom 8:30

    The Heaven Lotto! Nightly drawings, you should be so lucky to get picked!! Stay in good with JC and he’ll provide the intro.

    At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight. Matt 11:25,26

    All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him." Matt 11:27.


    On the other hand some of us were created only to be destroyed.

    For it was of the LORD to harden their hearts, that they should come against Israel in battle, that he might destroy them utterly, and that they might have no favor, but that he might destroy them, as the LORD commanded Moses. Josh 11:20

    (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;) ….. As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. Rom 9:11-18

    Once saved no one can tear us from Gods hand, not even the devil, but it sounds like he might have butter fingers and let us slip out on his own. Why would he do that!

    And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand." John 10:28,29.

    For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. Heb 6:4-6.

    The rules for the winners, this is one tough act!! BTW – Do these things and I can buy it, don’t and there just is no magic. Hey, what did Paul do to merit Jesus favor but kill Christians? Are we all not worthy of our own Damascus road experience? Testify!!

    Therefore, be perfect, just as your father in heaven is perfect. Mat 5:48

    Behold, I give to you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall hurt you in any way. Luke 10:19

    And Jesus said to them... if you all have faith even like a grain of mustard seed, you all shall say to this mountain, "Move away to another place", and it shall move. And nothing shall be impossible to you. Mat 17:20

    It is good for a man not to touch a woman... 1st Cor 7:1 (God has a sense of humour, she must be a chick!!)

    Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection, but I allow not a woman to teach, nor to have authority over man, but to be in silence. 1st Tim 2:11-12 (oops, guess not)

    Oh, and then there’s this. God is a misogynist I guess.

    Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything. Eph 5:22-24

    But in the end isn’t really about the judging. Keeping this country on the path of god and smiting those that don’t agree. Forcing our beliefs on others against their free will (free will is a myth as we saw in Eph 1). Besides, ranting against sin is so much more fun than reaching out to the poor, helpless and needy. They shoulda planned better.

    Rom 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother?
    "Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.' “They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?' "He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.' Matt 25:41-45

    Obama, say what!?!
    You shall not blaspheme God, nor curse the ruler of your people. Ex 22:28

    Even Job, a perfect and upright man had reason to fear God. Which leave this nonchristian atheist to her own little testimony.

    But he is in one mind, and who can turn him? and what his soul desireth, even that he doeth. For he performeth the thing that is appointed for me: and many such things are with him. Therefore am I troubled at his presence: when I consider, I am afraid of him". Job 23:13-15

    I grew up in the church. I’ve seen it at it’s very best from the inside and found it lacking. How could someone with the message and power to save souls from an eternity in hell care so much more for the temporal? When Christians decide that no mission could be greater than to tell everyone they have great news, the one and only way to avoid hell, open to all who believe; When Christians treat sin as something to be saved from and not condemned to; When Christians care more about helping and giving, less about riches and their possessions; When Christians are concerned enough about lost souls that socialism, guns, gay marriage, and abortions don’t matter, because they know that saved people will reject it; then I will see proof that Jesus saves and converts.

    Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
    Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
    But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? James 2:18-20


    For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Romans 6:23

    For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

    Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

    For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

    Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

    Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

    And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

    Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

    Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

    For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

    And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

    And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

    Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

    Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

    Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

    Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. Romans 1:18-32
    By faith Noah,being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear,prepared an ark to the saving of his house;by the which he condemned the world,and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith Heb.11:7

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    Exclamation You beat me to it

    HK4U you beat me to the punch. +1

    On a personal note, if you need a miracle for proof of God, Look at the sun, moon, and stars and wonder about the hand that placed them and the hand that holds them. We are extremely small in this universe and God still knows us by name.
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    Quote Originally Posted by festus View Post
    HK4U you beat me to the punch. +1

    On a personal note, if you need a miracle for proof of God, Look at the sun, moon, and stars and wonder about the hand that placed them and the hand that holds them. We are extremely small in this universe and God still knows us by name.

    Good point festus. I have heard it said that if the earth was any closer or further away from the sun it could not sustain life. I has to be exactly where it is. Some may believe that miracles like that are just by accident. To me it is obvious there is a divine hand behind it
    By faith Noah,being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear,prepared an ark to the saving of his house;by the which he condemned the world,and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith Heb.11:7

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    Quote Originally Posted by HK4U View Post
    Good point festus. I have heard it said that if the earth was any closer or further away from the sun it could not sustain life. I has to be exactly where it is. Some may believe that miracles like that are just by accident. To me it is obvious there is a divine hand behind it
    +1. Just look at our natural makeup. How our bodies react to temperature, bacteria, injuries, etc... Even animals have their built in instincts and defenses and serve a purpose in Earth's eco-system. It wasn't a "Big Bang", and it wasn't an accident!
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    I voted for Obama. I think Obama has an uphill battle, and I doubt tackling a "liberal" gun agenda is at the top of that list.

    P.S. The last 8 years have been a failure, and luckily I don't have to say I voted him into office.

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