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    Quote Originally Posted by capo2186 View Post
    I went to the range this weekend and was APAULD at this guys firearm safety. He was showing me his .22 caliber Ruger Mark II because I am interested in getting one. While he was showing me his firearm, the muzzle was pointed right at my gut. I asked the guy nicely to please point his muzzle downrange. His reply was "its unloaded I am out of ammo" my response was "I understand, however it doesn't matter, treat every firearm as if it were loaded". His face was priceless. I was shocked. Point being, firearm safety is a must.
    One bad thing about so many new people getting firearms, a lot of them don't have any idea of proper handling. It would be nice if anyone who bought a gun had to at least fire a few rounds and be shown how to properly load and unload it. At least now, with all the carry permits being applied for, quite a few people will receive at least minimum instruction - hopefully! A friend recently sent me a YouTube video of what looked like a 12-year-old girl field-stripping an AR-15 - she broke it down and re-assembled it in less than a minute. Now there's a good daughter!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gpbarth View Post
    One bad thing about so many new people getting firearms, a lot of them don't have any idea of proper handling. It would be nice if anyone who bought a gun had to at least fire a few rounds and be shown how to properly load and unload it. At least now, with all the carry permits being applied for, quite a few people will receive at least minimum instruction - hopefully!
    That's why there are courses too take, starting off with..............Basic Gun.
    capo2126, was this an Open To The Public range? From what You described, this person has no idea on "safety" whatso-ever. This person should have been reported to the proper official at the Range. And NO, You are not squealing on Him, but instead making the official aware that there are Some who do not know the first thing with a firearm........Safety! Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the guy you mentioned is an idiot (well, Maybe he is), but You did your part telling him (educating) where the muzzel should be pointed and he could have just acknowledged His error, but instead comes back with " it's not loaded; I'm out of ammo" for an answer.....duuuhhhh McFly??!!!
    The person in charge of prop's at the theater should have educated the person/s who was in direct contact with the weapon. As My sig. says........My opinion.........
    (All the above are MY opinions/suggestions ONLY....AND, I like to bust ball's, it's called having a sense of humor. In other words, no intent to offend anyone, so get over it)

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    Quote Originally Posted by sambo42xa View Post
    That's why there are courses too take, starting off with..............Basic Gun.
    capo2126, was this an Open To The Public range? From what You described, this person has no idea on "safety" whatso-ever. This person should have been reported to the proper official at the Range. And NO, You are not squealing on Him, but instead making the official aware that there are Some who do not know the first thing with a firearm........Safety! Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the guy you mentioned is an idiot (well, Maybe he is), but You did your part telling him (educating) where the muzzel should be pointed and he could have just acknowledged His error, but instead comes back with " it's not loaded; I'm out of ammo" for an answer.....duuuhhhh McFly??!!!
    The person in charge of prop's at the theater should have educated the person/s who was in direct contact with the weapon. As My sig. says........My opinion.........
    This range is not open to the public. Members only. This was a much older gentleman than I who has been shooting a long time (from what he told me). He is a member at the club. I didn't say anything to the range officer, I wish I did. He said "its unloaded" but still; do not point your firearm at me. Whenever I load, un-load, put away, take out, handle, touch, anything to my firearms at the range, my muzzle is always pointed down range. I value safety more than anything with firearms. I hate the accidents that occur that injure or kill someone as well as hurt our hobby because someone was carless. If you are a responsible firearm owner, you are less likely to have something negligible happen. My opinion.
    "Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum"

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    Quote Originally Posted by capo2186 View Post
    This range is not open to the public. Members only. This was a much older gentleman than I who has been shooting a long time (from what he told me). He is a member at the club. I didn't say anything to the range officer, I wish I did. He said "its unloaded" but still; do not point your firearm at me. Whenever I load, un-load, put away, take out, handle, touch, anything to my firearms at the range, my muzzle is always pointed down range. I value safety more than anything with firearms. I hate the accidents that occur that injure or kill someone as well as hurt our hobby because someone was carless. If you are a responsible firearm owner, you are less likely to have something negligible happen. My opinion.
    Saying "it's unloaded" doesn't heal gunshot wounds caused by gross negligence. This guy would know better if he had gotten anything out of his years of practice.
    Silent Running, by Mike and the Mechanics

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    I don't care how much "experience" anyone claims to have. If they do someting that can result in serious injury and/or death, I'm gonna say someting to them about it. If they give me attitude, I'm gonna let someone know about it as well (RSO, club board members, etc.) If I happen to be the RSO and they give me attitude, then they're done shooting for the day because I'm kicking them off of my range! Don't get me wrong, I'm not like the "Soup Nazi" from the t.v. sitcom "Seinfield" or anything like that. If a person is new to shooting and/or makes an honest mistake, I'm cool about "tactfully" correcting them. The ones who do get kicked off the range are the ones who need to be reminded multiple times or have a very bad attitude when spoken to. Most folks will say something like "Oops, I didn't realize the muzzle pointed that way", or "I'm sorry, I won't do it again". I had one guy call me "son", and went on a ramble about how he was some retired officer in the British Navy and that he had been shooting since before I was a "little squirt", etc. He got his one and only "warning" about keeping the muzzle down range. The second time, he flagged another shooter at which point I told him to place the pistol on the bench. His response is "[explitive] you! It's not loaded, there's no clip in the weapon." I grabbed the HK USP 45 out of his hand and cleared it. He nearly messed his pants when he saw the live round eject from the chamber! I put the gun on the bench and told him "Now it's unloaded. Please gather your things and kindly leave the firing line." After turning several shades of red (I thought the guy was gonna go off on me. He was probably more embarrassed than mad at that point.) he put his stuff away and proceeded to leave the range. On the way out, he apologized for his mistake.

    He was back on the range a few weeks later with a much better attitude as well as improved firearms handling skills.

    In my NRA firearms classes, the philosophy is to teach the Knowledge Skills and Attitude to safely handle and operate firearms. Knowledge and Skills can be improved by additional training. If the student/person on the range has a bad attitude, there's nothing I can do about it other than to ask them to leave the range. Like "toreskha" said, "it's unloaded" doesn't heal gunshot wounds and neither does "I'm sorry." Can't recall a shot once the trigger is pulled. I don't mind hurting feelings (personally I think it's impossible to hurt another person's feelings) if it will potentially save someone from getting seriously injured or killed.



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    I really like the idea of your child having his own "gun safe." What an interesting way to teach kids about firearms safety. Can you explain a little more about how you introduced him to guns and taught him about the dangers?

    I'm curious because I've always been a little unsure about how to teach my kids how serious gun safety is. I don't have any kids yet, but I know that when I do there will be guns in the house.
    Husky Girl

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    It would be nice if anyone who bought a gun had to at least fire a few rounds and be shown how to properly load and unload it.
    Be careful - that sounds suspiciously like gun control. Next thing you know, we'll be requireing that people take safety courses and buy gun safes.
    Husky Girl

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    Quote Originally Posted by Husky Girl View Post
    Be careful - that sounds suspiciously like gun control. Next thing you know, we'll be requireing that people take safety courses and buy gun safes.
    I fully support folks being required to take some sort of safety course if they will be carrying the firearm. If they want to own one for personal protection in the home, the that's fine. I just don't want some "mall ninja" thinking they're some sort of super hero with a gun and injure themself or others due to not knowing how to properly use the firearm.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Husky Girl View Post
    I really like the idea of your child having his own "gun safe." What an interesting way to teach kids about firearms safety. Can you explain a little more about how you introduced him to guns and taught him about the dangers?

    I'm curious because I've always been a little unsure about how to teach my kids how serious gun safety is. I don't have any kids yet, but I know that when I do there will be guns in the house.

    When my son was 18 months old, he first noticed my holsterd gun after I got home from a day of hunting. I explained what it was and offered the generic explanation "I use it to catch pigs for dinner". He accepted that explanation and somehow remembered it. One day just after his 2nd birthday, I took him with me to my military unit when I went to pick up some paperwork. He saw one of the Security Police Officers in uniform and noticed his sidearm. Knowing that the officer was "daddy's friend", he walked up to the officer and asked him if he used the sidearm to "catch pigs". My buddy, not knowing what he was taliking about (and not being around children himself) said something like "No, perps shoot at us pigs, I use this to catch perps." My son asked me what a "perp" was. When we got home, I explained what a "perp" or "bad guy" was and explained that police officers are sometimes called "pigs" by bad guys. He seemed to understand and he asked "You're not a bad guy right?" I assured him that I was a "good guy" and that I catch "bad guys". Around the time he turned 3 years old, he was playing with water guns with his cousins. I told him that he wasn't allowed to play with the "guns", but he could play with the other things like the banana, boat or camera that shot water. He asked "why?" and I asked him "Are your cousins bad guys?" He shook his head and said "No, I don't want to shoot my cousins" (remembering what the pig looked like when I brought it home from the field). A few days later we were in a toy store and he saw an inexpensive airsoft gun that resembeled my G 23. He asked if he could have it, and I agreed but cautioned him that he would have to treat it like daddy treats his guns. He agreed, so I bough him the airsoft pistol. I set up targets for him and taught him about "safe direction" and proper firearms handling. When we wer done, I had him put the airsof gun away in his own "safe" (one of my old Pelican cases without the foam). I had it set up next to daddy's gun safe, so he knows where the guns should go. He locked it up with his lock and keys and daddy secured the other lock point with a cable tie (in case he has any ideas). The deal is that he can use the gun only when an adult gives him permission. He goes "shooting" with his airsoft a couple times each week. His "ammo" gets stored in an ammo can that I gave him (it's painted to his liking so it won't get confused with daddy's stuff).

    A couple of months after his 4th birthday he asked if he could go shooting with me. I consulted a bunch of other NRA instructors I teach with. The main concerns were "can he safely handle the pistol" (pointed down range, etc) and "can he pull the trigger". I cleared my G 23 and set up a safe area in my home see if he could pull the trigger. I demonstrated, then had him try. After some minor corrections, he was able to pull the trigger and remember "safe direction". After several pulls of the trigger (forgot to take out the NY trigger spring) I was convinced that he would be able to safely handle the firearm (under close supervision of course). A week later we had an instructor meeting and a "free range" day following the meeting. He had fun shooting the steel pig and steel duck targets. I had him shooting my G 23 with my Advantage Arms .22 conversion kit. Even with the 8 lb trigger pull, he had no problem. After shooting 100 rounds or so, he told me he was done shooting, and told me that he wanted to watch me shoot. I had him sit in his folding chair and he enjoyed watching me shoot 100 rounds or so and especially enjoyed when I missed the target.

    When we see someting on televison we discuss what's going on. Sometimes he'll ask me about it, other times I'll bring it up. Most of the time he has the correct answer. He's asking to go to the range again. We've got another meeting in mid December. It should be fun.



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    That is an awesome job. Just posted about my lil guy 5, no concept as hard as we try. I think a gun case might help him understand.
    Train up a child in the way he should go and when he is old he will not depart from it Prov 22:16 NKJV

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