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    Preparing For Mumbai - In America

    Preparing For Mumbai - In America

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    There has been a great deal of discussion about what to carry for an event like Mumbai. Gents, let's think about this. If you happen to be caught up in this at its conclusion, facing a dozen riflemen working together as a unit, and you with your Kel-Tec, what do you think your realistic chances of success are? Being real is not being defeatist, but come on.

    Now, at the outset of the event, where there may be only one or two adversaries, it gets a little better in terms of odds. But only a little. You have one advantage and that is the advantage of surprise and one target. They, on the other hand have many avenues of danger to cover, only one which is yours. This will be a rapidly moving fluid situation.

    One man was saying that using a cell phone to photograph the bad guys would be good. Pictures of the bad guys on your cell phone? Come on....seriously? If you have the ability to take their picture, you also have the ability to take their life, or GTFOT (get the ******* out of there) so get out of the evidence collecting mindset.

    Number two, some guys were discussing carrying a special bag with them with all manner of weapons and gear to facilitate such a fight. Keeping a Bug Out Bag in the office or in the car is a wise move, but I doubt many of us are going to walk around fully kitted out all the time, so I think this will be limited to what you have on your person. Know what....you'll carry your tango bag everywhere until you get sick of it and leave it in the car one day and then, that will be the day and you will fight with what you have on your person anyway.

    Those of you with little bitty guns (snubbies and Glock 27s and such), I suggest you rethink your weapon choices. I can run a mini-Glock pretty good, but not as good as a full sized gun. What do I carry? A Glock 22 when at home and a Glock 17 when away. 15 rounds or 17 rounds respectively.

    Yes, the bigger gun is harder to hide. Yes, I have to choose my clothing more carefully. Yes, its heavier. All of those things they tell you are true. But when you NEED THE MOTHER F'ING GUN NOW, those uber-comfortable pocket chain guns so popular with the CCW crowd will never allow you to fight as well as a full-sized gun.

    Calibers - Please! I will take a 40 or a 9mm over a 45 any day of the week for the simple fact of the matter that I can fight much longer with one than I can with a seven or eight shot weapon. It may have been a caliber edge in 1976 when the only thing going was marginal hollow point ammo, but not today bwana. Ask any of those metro-sexual gun instructors if they want to get shot in the face with my "45 set on stun".
    Magazine capacity is not an asset, it is a blessing.

    Engagement Dynamics - Short range, run and gun, point shooting is an essential skill and must be prioritized for the urban ambush gunfight. However, for anti-terrorist activity, if you find yourself just outside or arm's length with a doped up, combat-trained AK-armed tango, you have already stepped into it. You can still fight, but wouldn't it be far better to be able to ice these monkeys from 25, 50 or even 100 yards?

    Read the reports boys. There are folks who had an eye on the action from a distance. "If only I had a gun" was one of the Brit reporters said. The ability to hit out at these distances is not hard at all. But it must be learned and trained. And, your gear must support your ability to do it.

    Those uber-court-proof heavy triggers promoted as essential by the lawyer-instructors are trash. Get rid of them. You don't need a hair trigger on your pistol, but you do need a manageable trigger. My Glocks for example all use the standard 5# connector set up and give me a crisp release that is conducive to accuracy. You don't need the 3# target connector, but good heavens don't add one of the abominable New York triggers.

    Those big fat close range sights? If you can hit at 100 yards with them, drive on. I cannot, so I use sharply defined black iron sights like the Heines, and the Trijicons. Those of you with eye issues that can't use the irons well enough, invest in one of the Docter red dot sights. Yep....a red dot sight on your pistol. It is small enough to carry around and bright enough that even Mr. Magoo can hit at 100 meters with it.

    Another thing - Usually after one of those events I will hear "By golly if I had been there I would have pulled out my custom model 29 and..." That is usually spoken by a guy who hasn't done any physical training since high school, would have a heart attack if he had to run ten feet to cover, and is so out of condition he could not fight his way out of a Sierra Club Tea Party In San Francisco. I'm not trying to offend anyone here but its not just about marksmanship and your ammo choices. If you are already a good shot, you need to get away from the range and into the gym or the street and train your out of shape shooter's body so you will be able to fight not just shoot.

    And finally, without which all else is wasted, develop the will to kill. It is hard for some to sneak up on a man and shoot him in the back of the head unannounced, regardless of what the man has done, or is about to do. You need to get over that if you want to be a player at this level. it is not about capturing, or about bringing to justice, or about "stopping the action". it is about getting the drop on a terrorist from a distance, unseen and undetected, putting your sights on his ear, controlling your heartbeat, and then pressing that trigger without a moment's hesitation.


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    Many have a false sense of bravado

    Many have a false sense of bravado...Unless you have been shot at you do not know how you will react. Some of the best trained soldiers in the world wet there pants and curl up in a little ball on first contact with an enemy upon seeing their friends head dissappear. Only time will tell who is and is not ready for combat action. Many want to be that guy but cannot accept the reality of ending a life. Some will act according to what they think is right and make matters far worse for both themselves and first responders. It is the calm unassuming guy that says, "Iv'e had about enough of this and it stops here!"
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    I received this from Gabe a week or so back myself. Good stuff. Thanks for posting it.
    Many want to be that guy but cannot accept the reality of ending a life. festus, I agree. Personally I hope the time never comes that I have to be "that guy". That beiing said if and when it comes I hope and pray that I am able to do what I have to do.
    By faith Noah,being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear,prepared an ark to the saving of his house;by the which he condemned the world,and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith Heb.11:7

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    So it comes down to, are you prepared/training, and are you willing?
    Interesting thing I noticed, if I remember, the guys in Mumbai had vests, but not full body armor, which would leave a lot of open territory. Also, they walked in, granted it said they had been well trained, but they walked in with this arrogance. Arrogance that they could only have in my opinoin if they knew they would not be challenged. They knew the commmon citizen in India does not hold a carry (anything) and they knew they could get most, if not all in their minds, of what they had been sent to do done before the first responders got to them. Then they were ready to die. Had it happened in the US I'm not so sure they would have made it nearly as far. It will come down to them chosing the "right" city where there will be the least resistance; NYC, Chicago, LA, SanFran!! Resistance from the common citizen.....who knows how many criminals would respond.
    Anyway.....
    Last edited by boyzoi; 12-29-2008 at 07:44 PM.

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    Gee...why are NONE of those cities on my short list of places for normal living?
    Reality, DEAL with IT!

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    Let's face it. I doubt that any concealed weapons course teaches students how to react in situations like these. My state doesn't require it; the only firearms education I have has come from my brother (who introduced me to basic operation and field stripping) and trips to the range. It would be nice to be prepared for something like this, but I wouldn't even know where to begin to look besides maybe YouTube.
    Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.

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    While there are a few on here who are current or former military, LEO and security types, generally we are not going to singlehandedly save a hotel full of people. That is a job for SWAT or appropriate military units who have trained to work as a team in these tactical situations.

    The objective, or at least my first objective, would be to get my family out if at all possible. If people are getting killed all around, at least go out fighting even if you're badly outnumbered. Exit the area or get into as secure a situation as possible. Maybe you'll take a couple of nearby people along if the situation warrants. We aren't going to clear out the Taj when its occupied by a dozen assault rifle and grenade-armed terrorists. Bruce Willis and Tom Selleck can only teach you so much in a 120 minute tactical demonstration.

    Yes, we should be doing prudent exercises to maintain health and some semblance of muscle tone. Certainly we need to be working on staying flexible enough to make the moves needed to execute an engagement or withdrawal. A great New Year's resolution would be to join a gym or embark on a physical maintenance regimen to achieve these goals.

    Other than that, my preparation will involve always carrying at least one extra mag and being sure my vehicle has another one or two. Regular range practice to know my main weapons. Never leaving home without my pocet knife. An occasional tactical class and IPSC exercies to focus my mind on methods and planning. That's about it. Anything more and I won't have a working, family or social life. If you are younger and doing more than that I wonder why you don't enlist or become a sworn officer.
    Last edited by ecocks; 01-01-2009 at 07:55 AM.
    Reality, DEAL with IT!

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