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  1. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLCDR View Post
    FAIL. In the Heller decision, the US Supreme held, "1. The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home."

    Scalia never limited keeping a firearm to the home. He merely stated that the right to keep a firearm in the home existed. And he clearly stated that the operative clause of the 2nd Amendment "the right of the People to keep and bear arms" was unconnected with service in a militia.

    The Supreme Court in 2008 made it clear that the right to “keep” a gun is a personal right, and that it means one has a right to keep a functioning firearm for self-defense within the home. But it has refused repeatedly since then to take on the question of whether that right exists also outside the home.

    A court decision declaring that a right to do something under certain circumstances in no way limits that right in other circumstances unless that is also included in the ruling. The Heller decision did not address the right to bear arms in general public places - neither establishing it nor denying it.
    You have confused the militia clause with Scalia's definition of "to bear".

    This is a straw man fallacy.

    Here, you can read about straw man fallacies:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies

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  3. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by Eidolon View Post
    I actually know Massad Ayoob and he never said anything like this
    He is a cool guy.

    He says it in one of the videos he sold to one of the CFP instructors whose courses I took.

  4. Gun safety isn't all that big of a deal. Fathers have been teaching their sons for generations. No need for classes and government oversight.


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    Quote Originally Posted by HKS View Post
    He says it in one of the videos he sold to one of the CFP instructors whose courses I took.
    You made the claim, you back it up
    In an emergency individuals do not rise to the occasion, they fall to the level of their MASTERED training
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by Blredneck13 View Post
    This is what pisses me off about the gun grabbers they can't understand that a gun is a tool anf can only do 3 things 1) function 2) fail 3) rust

    Everything else that happens comes from not adhering to safety standards, lack of training, or generally use by bad/ evil people.

    I believe there should be some level of firearms training everyone should poses, but hey that's just me.
    Amen.


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  7. #16
    Quote Originally Posted by HKS View Post

    Well as explained by Scalia in "Heller" the "keep" clause means in your house and the "bear" clause means bring to a militia call-up.
    Have you read the Heller decision?

    This section seems particularly significant to me:

    At the time of the founding, as now, to “bear” meant to “carry.”
    ...
    In Muscarello v. United States, 524 U. S. 125 (1998), in the course of analyzing the meaning of “carries a firearm” in a federal criminal statute, JUSTICE GINSBURG wrote that “[s]urely a most familiar meaning is, as the Constitution's Second Amendment . . . indicate[s]: ‘wear, bear, or carry . . . upon the person or in the clothing or in a pocket, for the purpose . . . of being armed and ready for offensive or defensive action in a case of conflict with another person.' ” Id., at 143 (dissenting opinion) (quoting Black's Law Dictionary 214 (6th ed. 1998)).

    We think that JUSTICE GINSBURG accurately captured the natural meaning of “bear arms.” Although the phrase implies that the carrying of the weapon is for the purpose of “offensive or defensive action,” it in no way connotes participation in a structured military organization.

  8. #17
    Lot's of straw men in these replies so far.

    Scalia does an excellent job of interpreting the 2nd Amendment for everyday people.

    You just need to accept what he says.

    The bottom line is that everyone is assured by the 2nd Amendment against any infringements to own a firearm in their homes.

    And the states have the right to regulate public possession any way that their legislatures desire.

    So if you live in a "shall-issue" state then be glad about it.

    And if you live in a "no-issue" or a "may-issue but does not" state then there is nothing you can do about it except move.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HKS View Post
    Lot's of straw men in these replies so far.

    Scalia does an excellent job of interpreting the 2nd Amendment for everyday people.

    You just need to accept what he says.

    The bottom line is that everyone is assured by the 2nd Amendment against any infringements to own a firearm in their homes.

    And the states have the right to regulate public possession any way that their legislatures desire.

    So if you live in a "shall-issue" state then be glad about it.

    And if you live in a "no-issue" or a "may-issue but does not" state then there is nothing you can do about it except move.
    This post is not for you as you have me on your ignore list anyway. This post is for those responding to HKS.

    This poster really doesn't know what he is talking about. When called out on it, he resorts to the "straw man fallacy" argument, which doesn't even apply. Once getting called out on that, he puts you on his ignore list to preserve his safe space.

    This poster made unsubstantiated claims regarding Massad Ayoob that were never backed up with facts. He also made unsubstantiated claims regarding the Heller decision, that were never backed up with facts.

  10. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by bofh View Post
    He also made unsubstantiated claims regarding the Heller decision, that were never backed up with facts.
    That's become clear so I won't feed it anymore.

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    Lots of people here who cannot read the plain English in Heller and they need to read and study it again.

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