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    This amunition was brought to my attention at a local gun store. I did what everyone does when something new is shown hit the interwebs and YouTube. Saw some interesting results, the 9mm is 50 grain leadless bullet moving at or about 2,000 fps saw a video of it beating level 2 body armor. Apparently designed do prevent over penetration being a frang round. Just curious if anyone has any experience with this round.

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    Liberty civil defense ammo

    I've only tried these in a 40 s&w and had great results blowing fairly large holes in an old dinosaur laptop....lol. Good ammo as far as that but, I haven't bought any more of these because I also had a failure to eject with them. Only practiced with a single box of 20 and after the sixth round in a rapid-fire situation, I had a shell casing that only got partially ejected. Just ended up plinking the rest of them after that. I guess I could have had a squib load but bein that I've never had any kind of failures with this gun (Beretta PX-4 Storm FS) before, I just blamed the ammo for it being so incredibly light considering the lightest I regularly shoot in this gun is 150 grain Winchester range rounds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by corneileous View Post
    I guess I could have had a squib load but bein that I've never had any kind of failures with this gun (Beretta PX-4 Storm FS) before, I just blamed the ammo for it being so incredibly light
    Just curious, what does the history of the gun regarding failures have anything to do with the possibility of a squib load when a squib load is an ammo problem?
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

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    Liberty civil defense ammo

    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLCDR View Post
    Just curious, what does the history of the gun regarding failures have anything to do with the possibility of a squib load when a squib load is an ammo problem?
    You know, I don't know. But if you know, why don't you elaborate?

    In case you didn't get it the first time, I was just simply stating that I have yet to have an issue with this gun so, that was the only time so, it was either a squib load or it was because the bullets were too light.

    Again, I don't know why I had an issue with these rounds but, one thing is for certain, I did have an issue and I haven't used them since. Nor have I had another issue.

    I guess squib load probably wasn't the preferred terminology, I just figured if it wasn't due to a lack of recoil with such a lightweight bullet that maybe it could have been from a slightly less powder charge in the round.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blredneck13 View Post
    This amunition was brought to my attention at a local gun store. I did what everyone does when something new is shown hit the interwebs and YouTube. Saw some interesting results, the 9mm is 50 grain leadless bullet moving at or about 2,000 fps saw a video of it beating level 2 body armor. Apparently designed do prevent over penetration being a frang round. Just curious if anyone has any experience with this round.
    I myself do NOT "hit the interwebs and YouTube". However I do hit Google.

    Below is the google on the 45ACP version of this "Liberty Ammunition" product.

    From the description it is solid copper. The bullet is ultra light weight so that it can reach phenomenal velocities.

    The copper fragments upon impact.

    The list of states where they (Liberty et al) cannot ship to is Calif, Conn, DC, Hawaii, Ill, Mass, NJ, and Canada. So there seems to be some issues about state law in this case. I did not see any Rocky Mountain states listed so I would presume it is legal in the Intermountain region, which is where I live and travel around, especially Las Vegas.

    As to the question of whether there is a risk it might get stuck in the barrel of your pistol (squib), I think that is a valid concern for such an ultralight bullet. Since I am used to 230 grain bullets in my 45ACP and these are all of 78 grains, that is rather unconventional.

    But the claim is that the recoil is significantly less.

    Interesting topic. Thanks for the O/P.

    45 ACP Lead Free - Liberty Ammunition

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    I thought about trying these in my little LC9S Ruger but decided against it because of the results I had in my Beretta. But then again, the only reason I even considered these rounds in the first place was to cut back on weight in the Storm with the 17 round magazine I bought for it.

    Since I carry the Ruger now, I really don't think 8 rounds of 50 grain bullets will be light enough to notice from the 147 grain Fed premium HST's....lol.

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    Yup, lighter weight is one of the things they (Liberty et al) advertise as an advantage.

    With my 11 rounds (10 + 1) in my 45ACP weight is not a major issue. I agree.

    My main concerns would be (1) performance on target (the human body), (2) collateral damage, and (3) misfires of any sort -- in that order of priority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HKS View Post
    My main concerns would be (1) performance on target (the human body), (2) collateral damage, and (3) misfires of any sort -- in that order of priority.
    Its interesting that you would put misfires as (3). (1) and (2) are not going to matter at all if the round does not go bang to begin with.
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLCDR View Post
    Its interesting that you would put misfires as (3). (1) and (2) are not going to matter at all if the round does not go bang to begin with.
    Misfire here having the meaning of a squib. I hate bad ammo.

    My ammo is usually all Federal both for my 45ACP and my 5.56x45.

    And all JHP's for the 45ACP. FMJ for the 5.56x45.

  11. The interwebs I spoke about would be google in case you were unaware google is on the interwebs. I was just asking if anyone had experience and their thoughts on this because I saw some very interesting ballistics gel and other test performed. Plus I liked the thought of not having over penetration and potentially injuring/killing a bystander with say a gold dot or HST if for some reason they didn't expand like advertised, because we know factory claimed specs are conducted in an ideal world that doesn't exist.

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