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  1. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by Debray View Post
    Ammo

    Georgia Arms is the 5th largest retailer of .223 Ammo in America . They sell 9mm, .45, .223 ammunition. They normally buy spent brass from the US Department of Defense. Spent brass is "one time used" shell cases used by our Military for training purposes.
    They buy the brass, recondition it, and then reload the brass for resale to Law Enforcement, Gun Clubs, Gun Shops, and stores like Wal-Mart. They normally buy 30,000 lbs of spent brass at a time.

    This week the D.o.D wrote a letter to the owner of Georgia Arms and informed him that from now on the D.o.D will be destroying the spent brass, shredding it. It will no longer be available to the ammo makers, unless they buy it in a scrap shredded condition (which they have no use for). The shredded brass is now going to be sold by the D.o.D to China as scrap metal, after the D.o.D pays for it to be shredded. The D.o.D is selling the brass to China for less money than the ammo makers have been paying, plus the D.o.D has to pay to have the brass shredded and do the accounting paperwork.

    This sure helps the economy now doesn't it? Sell cheaper to China , and do not sell at all to a proven US business. Any hidden agenda working here? Obama going after the Firearms Industry and our ammunition!

    The Georgia Arms owner even related a story that one of his competitors had already purchased a load of brass last week. The D.o.D contacted him this week and said they were sending someone over to make sure it was destroyed. Shell cases he had already bought!

    The brass has no value to the ammo maker if it is destroyed/shredded/melted. The ammo manufacturer only uses the empty brass cases to reload different calibers, mainly .223 bullets.

    The owner of Georgia Arms says that he will have to lay off at least half of his 60 workers, within 2-3 months if the D.o.D will no longer sell spent brass cases to the industry. Georgia Arms has 2-3 months of inventory to use, by summer they're out.

    If the Reloading Industry has to purchase new manufacture brass cases, then the cost of ammunition will double or even triple, plus Obama want to add a 500% tax on each shell.

    You can read the information and see the D.o.D letter to Georgia Arms here:
    The Shootist Site http://www.theshootist.net/2009/03/D...-military.html
    If you're not outraged at what this administration is doing, you should
    be! Be Afraid! Be Very Afraid! Get involved! It's Your Freedom and Our
    Country they're Stealing! If You Fail to Act Now, there may not be a Free
    United States tomorrow!

    I implore you to get involved and forward this to as many people you can.
    Contact your legislators and put them on notice that we're fed up with what's going on! This is a call to action.

    DOD, changed their position on this...

    http://www.gunreports.com/news/ammo/...wn_1192-1.html

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    I'm going to shoot black powder to save ammo

    I'm going to Cabela's today and stock up on black powder and start shooting my Rugar BP Old Army revolver and sight in my black powder hunting and target rifles.

    I have been molding and shooting my own bullets since 1971 and want to try some of the new power belt bullets that don't need lube anyhow.

    If they have 22 and 22 mag. available I can shoot my Mark ll and my Marlin rifle also for a while also.

    This will give me a some good target practice and slow down the amount of 9mm I shoot thru my XDm.

    I have a shooting range in the woods below my house and I usually walk down fully loaded and with two extra mags and it is amazing how fast 58 rounds disapear.

    I'll let you know if Cabela's has 9mm, 45, and 40 cal. available yet in Wheeling when I get back.

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    Not shipping Ammo

    I went to Cabela's yesterday still no 9mm, 40 cal. or 45 cal.

    There also isn't any 22 or 22 mag., I was able to get two 500 round Cabela/Wincester presentation boxes of 22 long rifle.

    The only ammo they had a surplus of was the .17 HMR, the shelves were loaded.

    I told one of the salesman at the pistol counter, I am going to start shooting more black powder.

    He told me I had better get my supplies now they arn't shipping anything includeing black powder.

    He said as long as the "Anointed One" is in the White House don't expect any changes.

    I bought some different Power belt 45 cal bullets also FFG and FFFG Shockey's Gold, now I can do a little comparison slow black powder shooting.

    For you black powder shooters I will let you know what shoots the best.

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    Ammo Shortage & Decline Q&A

    I'm aware that some of you may already get this e-mail from Tim @ USCCA. I thought I would copy it to here so it might help answer some other folks questions about the scarce ammo issues.





    April 22nd, 2009

    "To put it simply: Understanding the Ammo Shortage..."

    Dear Robert,

    I have been getting a TON of questions from USCCA members and Armed American Report readers on the subject of the ammo shortage.

    There are all sorts of theories out there, but the two resources that I'm about to share with you, I believe, are a couple of the most accurate explanations available.

    Here we go...



    Some More Ruminations
    on the Ammo Shortage...
    by Tamara K.
    of booksbikesboomsticks.blogspot.com


    Die Time: In comments yesterday, Ed Foster mentioned "die time". This is exactly why you can't get, for example, .380 right now. At most manufacturers, the machinery they use to load .380 (which uses different "dies" to load different calibers) is only used for that purpose for a small portion of the year; the rest of the time it's used to load more high volume stuff, like 9mm. They churn out .380 for a couple of months, say, at the end of the year, and it's enough to hold the market over 'til the next winter.

    Rumor has it that this past year's demand for 9mm FMJ was so great that Winchester didn't bother tooling up for .380 and kept the presses pumping out 9x19 ball. Even if the other two companies didn't do likewise, what percentage of the .380 market do you think that Winchester represents? Federal and Remington certainly don't load enough to take up the slack, and that causes the supply to crash to nothing.

    Case Lots: Believe it or not, the kind of people that read gun blogs, post on internet gun forums, go to the range every weekend, and name their gun "Vera", are a small minority of gun owners. For fifteen years I tried to convince Joe and Jane Public to buy ammo by the case. I failed miserably. No matter how much you explain the price savings when buying a thousand rounds at a lick, or the fact that ammo doesn't go bad, most people would look at you and say "I don't know, $100 seems like a lot of money, and what am I going to do with a thousand rounds of 9mm?"

    The ammunition manufacturing and supply pipeline is simply not set up for the average consumer to walk into Wal-Mart and buy two cases of ammunition. If your average shooter normally bought 100rds/month to take to the range and decided to buy two cases instead, "just in case", he has just bought more ammunition at one lick than he would normally buy in two years. Think about that for a second, and then multiply it out over several million shooters suddenly buying way outside their normal pattern.

    Production Capacity: The manufacturers are running full tilt. The only way they could make more ammunition is to build more plant, and they are not going to do that for several reasons. The first is that this bubble will contract sooner or later. Joe and Jane Sofaspud are going to realize that they really don't need 10,000 rounds of Winchester .45 in the basement, and that minivan payment isn't getting any smaller. They'll sell it to Annie Appleseed and Ivan Ipsc and demand will cool down.

    The second reason they won't build more plant is financial. Remember that economy thing? Yeah, well it's still bad. Business loans aren't really easy to get right now, especially for businesses that are square in the middle of the Media-Congressional Complex's crosshairs. When the stroke of a pen could cut your sales by 50%, you are not what lenders call a "good risk".

    Supply & Demand: Right now prices are high not because of transport costs or raw materials costs, which drove the price spike of '05(really an honest adjustment, as ammo prices had stayed almost artificially flat for the better part of a decade,) but because of simple supply and demand. If I put my widgets out for $1, and the first guy that walks in the store buys them all, I'm obviously not charging enough for my widgets.

    As demand stays high and supply stays small, prices keep going up. They will go up until they become high enough to cool demand. As demand cools, supply will build back up. In order to move the new supply, prices will come back down somewhat until they reignite demand. This is Econ 101, folks, and it's as predictable as 32 ft/sec˛ or π*r˛.


    ......................................

    The second resource, is another write up on the matter from a slightly different perspective- written by a Revolver Smith named Grant Cunningham.

    I've shared some of his work with you in the past- it's always great stuff, and I encourage you to have a look at the rest of his site after you've given this a read.

    It's called "Supply Chain Management 101: on the ammunition shortage". Visit HERE to read this article.

    I hope you find these articles enlightening!

    Take care and stay safe,


    Tim Schmidt
    USCCA - Owner / Founder
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    P.S. - Get prepared while you still can.

    FROM: Patrick Kilchermann, USCCA
    co author, Beat the Ban.

    Friends- I am not an alarmist. On the contrary- I am an iconoclast. My personal policy is to never over-react- period.

    That is why I can safely say that NOW is the time to get prepared. Seriously though, let me explain...

    1) The biggest stimulus bill to ever burden the American Tax payer was dropped into the Obama-River, and swept away into law before anyone could object.

    I don't know about you, but I just have this weird feeling that a trillion-dollar bill would be a LITTLE harder to pass than another gun ban. And, if "Oh Bummer!" could pass this bill in as little time as he did... well, *gulp*.

    2) Obama is exactly this much more antigun than Bill Clinton was: ->____________<-.

    Spooky.

    3) Supplies are running low. It's even harder now to find ammo, magazines, and rifles than it was a month ago when I stocked up.

    4) The U.S. Dollar is weakening. Every time our federal government prints off another batch of $100 bills, the amount of ammunition that bill will buy decreases a little bit more. And, if Obama and his stimulus bill has the effect on our economy and the U.S. Dollar that I'm afraid it will... well, your ability to buy supplies might be hindered even further, for lack of tradable currency!


    THESE are just few of the reasons why a few of us saw fit to create "Beat the Ban". We wanted to give a launch pad to those of you who want to prepare but aren't sure where to start, what to buy, or how much to buy.

    You can get your own copy for just $17 using the link below.

    I REALLY hope that all the supplies we are buying go to waste in our basements as we live out our days in peace, happiness, and freedom.

    But- isn't it better to be safe than sorry?

    http://deltamediallc.com/products/be...eattheban.html




    WHAT YOU'LL GET:

    As soon as you purchase "Beat the Ban", you'll get an email with a special download link. Using that link, you will be taken to a web-page where you can instantly download you PDF copy of 'Beat the Ban', as well as links for every chapter's audio file on .mp3.

    Why Digital? The information in so incredibly time sensitive in this report that by the time we shipped something to you, it might already be too late. We wanted to really go the extra mile to ensure that you receive "Beat the Ban" quickly enough to put the information into practice. Not only that- but since it's a digital product, we can afford to get it to you for MUCH less than if we had to ship it!
    "If an awalu [freeman] should blind the eye of another awalu [freeman], they shall blind his eye."
    -Hammurabi (1792-1750 B.C.E.)

  6. #45
    Ammo is starting to show up in stores in Memphis, except .380 and .45 colt.
    The Avatar is my Great-Great Grandaddy, CPL Samuel Francis Bondurant, Co. D, 4th Alabama, Law's Brigade, Benning's Division, 1st Corp, Army of Northern Virginia, shot through right thigh 2 JUL 1863.

  7. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by Rick O'Shay View Post
    Ammo is starting to show up in stores in Memphis, except .380 and .45 colt.
    is this on a regular basis? or just got lucky?
    You can have my freedom as soon as I'm done with it!!!

  8. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by LS-208 View Post
    Some More Ruminations
    on the Ammo Shortage...
    by Tamara K.
    of booksbikesboomsticks.blogspot.com

    Supply & Demand:... If I put my widgets out for $1, and the first guy that walks in the store buys them all, I'm obviously not charging enough for my widgets...
    This is what I don't understand. The price at Walmart hasn't gone up atleast since the beginning of the year when I first started pricing ammo. Like anyone else, I don't like to pay anymore than I have to. But when all the shelves are empty, Walmart obviously isn't charging enough for their "widgets".
    The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first. - Thomas Jefferson

  9. #48
    In the June 2009 issue of American Hunter magazine, (part of my NRA membership) that just came in my snail mail box; there is an article titled "THE AMMO SHORTAGE IS REAL"...

    Interestingly enough, the same issue also contains two "Armed Citizen" accounts of attempted robberies in the parking lots of "WALMART"...


  10. I just thought I'd give the inside scoop from Wal-Mart... We receive ammo every day. The biggest problem is people come in and buy it all up as soon as it gets there. The stuff is normally sent in based on rate of sale. The stuff was out at the warehouse so long that the rate of sale got messed up. This means even if it comes back in if it just is left to automatically order what little arrived is divided up between the stores and that means everyone gets one or two boxes. Normally this would be more than fine, however someone comes in and buys the stuff as soon as it arrives. Shelf sits empty until it gets reordered which is often too late. There is nothing preventing a store more aware of how the system operates from manually ordering and stacking manual orders for everything as soon as it is back in stock because the people working there are aware that the rate of sale is off because of the shortage. Assuming you have a store in tune with the situation and how it messes up the supply chain, they'll probably be stocked fairly well. The store just letting the system reorder because they aren't up on their stuff will have empty shelves. The department managers aware of the ammo shortage, with the knowledge of the ordering should be able to build up a supply if they know their stuff, and it is where the knowledgable sales staff and customer oriented management will provide good service and they'll have the shelves stocked pretty well even in this case. That said we've had no trouble getting 40 S&Ws, 9mm, 30-06, 22 mag, 380, 44 mag, 270, 25 auto, 32 auto, despite most other stores in the area being out of it. Getting to the point where we have sustainable supply based on the 6 box limit. Even 00 buck which was in such short supply they didn't have any at a gun show I was just at is literally jammed full on the shelf. The only problem ones we've had have been 7.62x39, 357 and 223, can't seem to build up supply of those, get a few boxes in but thats about it.

  11. #50
    What Walmart do you work at, and what is your position? Are you telling me that all it takes is ONE person in each store to keep up on the ordering? How is it (maybe a stupid question) that no one else at any other store has figured that out?
    The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first. - Thomas Jefferson

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