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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Running Arrow Bill View Post
    I'll always get my ammo from independent gun stores. Patronize our Local Merchants and "Buy American"!
    Although there is one fairly local merchant that has kept their prices reasonable, the others have jacked up prices on things to the point where the only reason they have stock is because people won't pay the inflated prices.

    If Walmart keeps having reasonable prices on ammo, it should help stop the price gouging. There are many reasons to NOT shop at Walmart, but ammo isn't one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Running Arrow Bill View Post
    On these threads I repeatedly see people buying from Wally World. Granted, they might be a little cheaper. However, no way I'd patronize WW considering their propensity to buy most of their inventory from foreign countries! I'll always get my ammo from independent gun stores. Patronize our Local Merchants and "Buy American"!

    Git Er Done!
    I worked for an "American" automobile manufacturer in California for almost 30 years. I have purchased American made vehicles for 35 years. The company I worked for manufactured and sold vehicles in more than a dozen countries around the world. That means that though the trucks, RVs, and cars that I bought and drove were manufactured in Japan and Canada and Europe and Asia and South America, they were still "American" because they sported a GM logo. Those vehicles were manufactured and semi- assembled in over--seas countries, but the final assembly was here in the US where the products were sold. Is that an American vehicle? Hondas are made in the US. Chevrolet Cameros and Pontiac Firebirds are made in Canada. "Foreign" vehicles (Honda, Toyota) are made in the US. Buy American? Hah! That means nothing! Define American! Go on. I'll wait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gdcleanfun View Post
    I worked for an "American" automobile manufacturer in California for almost 30 years. I have purchased American made vehicles for 35 years. The company I worked for manufactured and sold vehicles in more than a dozen countries around the world. That means that though the trucks, RVs, and cars that I bought and drove were manufactured in Japan and Canada and Europe and Asia and South America, they were still "American" because they sported a GM logo. Those vehicles were manufactured and semi- assembled in over--seas countries, but the final assembly was here in the US where the products were sold. Is that an American vehicle? Hondas are made in the US. Chevrolet Cameros and Pontiac Firebirds are made in Canada. "Foreign" vehicles (Honda, Toyota) are made in the US. Buy American? Hah! That means nothing! Define American! Go on. I'll wait.
    Good point. I drive a Toyota truck that was made in Kentucky. And I drive a Camaro that was made in Canada. I got all of the bases covered.

    Oh, And I buy ammunition at Wally World. It's priced right and the one I go to always seems to have plenty of .40 and .45 They even seem to usually have 9mm. 380 though is a different story.

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    Eat your Rice Burner...

    I define American made as something where the majority of the parts were designed, engineered and manufactured in the U.S.A. and the majority of the money that is payed for one goes to Americans...

    As long as we continue to allow all the stinking free trade agreements to continue, that is the best we can hope for...

    The Same Stinking Free Trade Agreements that allowed G.M. now known as Government Motors to close 11 Auto Plants in the United States (including the Chevrolet & Firebird Plant In Van Nuys, California where my Camaro rolled off the line at, that I toured and still have a key chain from...) where at the time G.M. paid an average salary of 20.00 hr plus benefits; and opened up 3 plants in Canada & Mexico with virtually no regulation and an average salary of 90 cents a day and no benefits to FOREIGN WORKERS, leaving the disenfranchised American Auto Workers no choice but to find a new line of work ...
    We were promised higher quality and lower prices, what we got was higher prices, lower quality and G.M. got a few hundred more V.P.'s with Corporate Jets...

    Ross Perot warned us and NOBODY LISTENED...
    What he predicted has come to pass verbatim...

    Your American Made Honda or Toyota for instance may be assembled in America but that is about it... and most of the money paid for it goes to Japan and not Americans...
    And foreign countries pay less tax on autos imported here then we do for the ones we import there...

    Regardless of what it is; I go out of my way to buy American whenever possible, even if I have to pay more for it...

    And I make no secret about it...

    I will not send one nickle out of America IF there is anyway to avoid it...

    Start looking at labels, asking questions...

    Buy American, the job you save or create may be your own or one of our Soldiers coming home from protecting your rice burning candy arse...

    Tell Congress to repeal all stinking free trade agreements permanently...
    Seal the fricking borders and take care of our own for a change...

    "The people never give up their liberties, but under some delusion." - Edmund Burke

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    Quote Originally Posted by Running Arrow Bill View Post
    On these threads I repeatedly see people buying from Wally World. Granted, they might be a little cheaper. However, no way I'd patronize WW considering their propensity to buy most of their inventory from foreign countries! I'll always get my ammo from independent gun stores. Patronize our Local Merchants and "Buy American"!

    Git Er Done!
    I agree that WW does buy a lot, hell most of their goods they sell are from China but the ammo, most of it anyways as well as the rifles they sell are made in the USA. So just limit yourself to those items.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Confess View Post
    Good point. I drive a Toyota truck that was made in Kentucky. And I drive a Camaro that was made in Canada. I got all of the bases covered.

    Oh, And I buy ammunition at Wally World. It's priced right and the one I go to always seems to have plenty of .40 and .45 They even seem to usually have 9mm. 380 though is a different story.
    I actually just got lucky the day before yesterday and found some .45 in. first time I have seen any at ww for at least 6 months. they do get .40 pretty regularly now though.
    You can have my freedom as soon as I'm done with it!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Confess View Post
    ... always seems to have plenty of .40 and .45 They even seem to usually have 9mm. 380 though is a different story.
    The one in Lebanon PA just got some .380 (WWB- $37/100) for the first time in about a year. Go figure, I just bought some at a gunshow ($40/100 plus entry fee) a day earlier.
    The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first. - Thomas Jefferson

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bohemian View Post

    I define American made as something where the majority of the parts were designed, engineered and manufactured in the U.S.A. and the majority of the money that is payed for one goes to Americans...
    Care to cite your sources? Got a list of companies that you would care to share with us?

    What about Mexican and Canadian companies? They are American companies, too.

    You also stated: "Your American Made Honda or Toyota for instance may be assembled in America but that is about it..." This is pretty much an untruth if the assembly plants have joined the UAW. Few have. That is both good and bad, imho. Good if working conditions and wages are better than than those in unionized plants, yet bad if the company slashes wages or benefits or degrades the working conditions then there is nothing the worker or the union can do for redress.

    Granted, the companies might be foreign based, but the people who work for the Honda or Toyota plants in the USA are Americans. They are living, working, and playing here in the USA, spending their money here at home just as you or I might do. I don't begrudge the workers anything. They have jobs, many don't.

    I, too, don't like many aspects of free trade agreements. I don't think Clinton did well by us, especially allowing truckers/big rigs into the lower California areas, tearing up the freeways without monetary compensation of licensing and taxation fees with which to fix them, and driving erratically and dangerously! We, the USA, gave a lot to other countries with those agreements, we get little back!

    Wal*Mart is an "American" company. Few of their wares are "Made in the USA." Those slogans mean nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gdcleanfun View Post
    Care to cite your sources? Got a list of companies that you would care to share with us?

    What about Mexican and Canadian companies? They are American companies, too.

    You also stated: "Your American Made Honda or Toyota for instance may be assembled in America but that is about it..." This is pretty much an untruth if the assembly plants have joined the UAW. Few have. That is both good and bad, imho. Good if working conditions and wages are better than than those in unionized plants, yet bad if the company slashes wages or benefits or degrades the working conditions then there is nothing the worker or the union can do for redress.

    Granted, the companies might be foreign based, but the people who work for the Honda or Toyota plants in the USA are Americans. They are living, working, and playing here in the USA, spending their money here at home just as you or I might do. I don't begrudge the workers anything. They have jobs, many don't.

    I, too, don't like many aspects of free trade agreements. I don't think Clinton did well by us, especially allowing truckers/big rigs into the lower California areas, tearing up the freeways without monetary compensation of licensing and taxation fees with which to fix them, and driving erratically and dangerously! We, the USA, gave a lot to other countries with those agreements, we get little back!

    Wal*Mart is an "American" company. Few of their wares are "Made in the USA." Those slogans mean nothing.
    I will agree to disagree with you...

    Further, nothing I stated is untrue...

    You are certainly entitled to your opinion, regardless of how misguided that may be...

    In my view if the Company is on U.S. Soil, 100% wholly owned & operated by U.S. Citizens than its a American company.
    Honda, Toyota, etc., do not fit that description...

    To buy something Non-American, when American is available, is the reason why last year was the first year in U.S. history that FOREIGN MADE CARS accounted for greater than 50% of all Automobile & Truck Sales in the United States...

    That's a big fricking problem if you want to keep Americans working and American dollars in America...

    The same goes for Wally World, they actually try to get American made items on the shelf, and when I buy at Walmart, if it says made in U.S.A. then I buy it...

    U.S. Auto workers employed by Honda, Toyota etc., make disproportionately less in wages and insurance coverage than, those employed by G.M., Ford, Dodge, etc., in the U.S.
    Further, they (Foreign Based Auto manufacturers) receive a disproportionately greater number of h1b visa and other temporary worker visa's than other Auto Manufacturers such as Ford, et.al.

    The American UAW along with the stinking free trade agreements that we can thank Ronald Reagan, H.W. Bush, Slick-Willie and W. Bush for are a huge reason why we now have Government Run Auto manufacturers...

    And Union's like the UAW and SEIU (and its sibling ACORN) are why we now have the Socialist in Chief & Company nationalizing everything in sight; Banks, Auto Manufacturers, and Health Care Providers if we let them force ObamaCare down our throats too...

    Ford has started a trend of bringing back its work into the U.S. for some time now, and has closed many plants in Mexico & Canada...
    Its a start...
    Maybe a contributing factor as to why Ford refused to take a bail-out...

    Toyota & Honda, and most other foreign based/owned Auto manufacturers to the UAW - "We Are Not Interested"

    According to the federal government, (not that I take much stock in what the fed says) a vehicle with a 75-percent or more domestic parts rating is classified as a domestic vehicle. The web-based resource site Cars.com has compiled the 'American Made Index' that lists the top ten vehicles made in the U.S. according to where their parts came from, where they were finally assembled, and even how many were sold in the U.S.

    The ten vehicles and where they're assembled are:

    1. Ford F-Series - Dearborn, Mich.; Kansas City, Mo.; Louisville, Ky.; Norfolk, Va. (Except Ford F-650, F-750)
    2. Chevrolet Silverado - Fort Wayne, Ind.; Pontiac, Mich.
    3. Toyota Camry; Camry Solara - Georgetown, Ky. (Except hybrid Camry)
    4. Ford E-Series - Lorain, Ohio
    5. Chevrolet Cobalt - Lordstown, Ohio
    6. Ford Explorer - Louisville, Ky.; St. Louis, Mo.
    7. Chevrolet Malibu/Malibu Maxx - Kansas City, Kan.
    8. Ford Escape - Kansas City, Mo.
    9. Toyota Sienna - Princeton, Ind.
    10. Chevrolet TrailBlazer - Moraine, Ohio (Except now discontinued TrailBlazer EXT)

    Again, what they fail to note is in the case of the toyota's listed herein is that most of the profit goes back to Japan...

    Lastly, my case in point is that IF you look for made in (or predominantly made) U.S.A. products; cars or otherwise you can find them...

    Hungry?
    Out of Work?
    Eat your Rice Burner...

    "The people never give up their liberties, but under some delusion." - Edmund Burke

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bohemian View Post
    I will agree to disagree with you...

    Further, nothing I stated is untrue...

    You are certainly entitled to your opinion, regardless of how misguided that may be...

    In my view if the Company is on U.S. Soil, 100% wholly owned & operated by U.S. Citizens than its a American company.
    Honda, Toyota, etc., do not fit that description...

    To buy something Non-American, when American is available, is the reason why last year was the first year in U.S. history that FOREIGN MADE CARS accounted for greater than 50% of all Automobile & Truck Sales in the United States...

    That's a big fricking problem if you want to keep Americans working and American dollars in America...

    The same goes for Wally World, they actually try to get American made items on the shelf, and when I buy at Walmart, if it says made in U.S.A. then I buy it...

    U.S. Auto workers employed by Honda, Toyota etc., make disproportionately less in wages and insurance coverage than, those employed by G.M., Ford, Dodge, etc., in the U.S.
    Further, they receive a disproportionately greater number of h1b visa and other temporary worker visa's than other Auto Manufacturers such as Ford, et.al.

    The American UAW along with the stinking free trade agreements that we can thank Ronald Reagan, H.W. Bush, Slick-Willie and W. Bush for are a huge reason why we now have Government Run Auto manufacturers...

    And Union's like the UAW and SEIU (and its sibling ACORN) are why we now have the Socialist in Chief & Company nationalizing everything in sight; Banks, Auto Manufacturers, and Health Care Providers if we let them force ObamaCare down our throats too...

    Ford has started a trend of bringing back its work into the U.S. for some time now, and has closed many plants in Mexico & Canada...
    Its a start...

    Toyota & Honda, and most other foreign based/owned Auto manufacturers to the UAW - "We Are Not Interested"

    According to the federal government, (not that I take much stock in what the fed says) a vehicle with a 75-percent or more domestic parts rating is classified as a domestic vehicle. The web-based resource site Cars.com has compiled the 'American Made Index' that lists the top ten vehicles made in the U.S. according to where their parts came from, where they were finally assembled, and even how many were sold in the U.S.

    The ten vehicles and where they're assembled are:

    1. Ford F-Series - Dearborn, Mich.; Kansas City, Mo.; Louisville, Ky.; Norfolk, Va. (Except Ford F-650, F-750)
    2. Chevrolet Silverado - Fort Wayne, Ind.; Pontiac, Mich.
    3. Toyota Camry; Camry Solara - Georgetown, Ky. (Except hybrid Camry)
    4. Ford E-Series - Lorain, Ohio
    5. Chevrolet Cobalt - Lordstown, Ohio
    6. Ford Explorer - Louisville, Ky.; St. Louis, Mo.
    7. Chevrolet Malibu/Malibu Maxx - Kansas City, Kan.
    8. Ford Escape - Kansas City, Mo.
    9. Toyota Sienna - Princeton, Ind.
    10. Chevrolet TrailBlazer - Moraine, Ohio (Except now discontinued TrailBlazer EXT)

    Again, what they fail to note is in the case of the toyota's listed herein is that most of the profit goes back to Japan...

    Lastly, my case in point is that IF you look for made in (or predominantly made) U.S.A. products; cars or otherwise you can find them...

    Hungry?
    Out of Work?
    Eat your Rice Burner...
    Yes, we are ALL entitled to our opinions. That said, we don't need a flame war. We don't need labels. They are so very inaccurate. We certainly don't need put-downs. I didn't put you down and I don't appreciate your attempts. Labels and put-down are how flame wars begin. Stick to the subject. Being disrespectful does nothing to assist the points you maintain, it merely shows opinion, sometimes ignorance.

    Your reasoning is circular, therefore flawed. I'll agree to disagree, especially when it's clear that you understood exactly and absolutely NOTHING that I wrote. *sigh* That's life. Oh, well. *shaking head and walking away*

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