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  1. #11
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    Oct 2007
    Tampa Bay Area
    Quote Originally Posted by Magistrate PO View Post
    It has become more common for mentally deranged individuals to use this type of behavior to end thier life, thanks to the news media, many sad sucidial people kill others for the publicity, so that other will remember them. There is also been an increase in sucide by cop. This is one of the best reasons to carry a concealed firearm. Unfortunately, the victims were just in the wrong place at the wrong time, and unarmed. My prayers for the familys of the innocent victims.
    You hit the nail on the head! Suicide note left behind said he wanted "to go out in style"

    Please be safe out there guys!

  3. #12

    6 minutes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ektarr View Post
    Noted on the News tonight: It took 6 minutes for the police to arrive.

    6 Minutes.

    Pretty quick.
    During the shopping period between Thanksgiving & Christmas, the response time should have been seconds. In Las Vegas, the police are all over the malls and parking lots to try to stop the thefts and robberies during this period.

  4. #13
    Wow did you read the description of how it happend? I don't think anyone carrying in his vicinity would have had a good chance to stop the carnage. He was on the third floor firing down!?! Very scary. Unless I was behind him when it started I think I would be running with everyone else.

  5. #14

    Early still

    It's a bit early for the Monday morning QB routine yet. Letís allow some more information to build up and then we can think it through individually and, perhaps, collectively. I remember the Tacoma Mall shooting a couple of year's ago as well as the IHOP shooting in Virginia and we should be cautious of the premature ďI would ofÖĒ and ďI could of ÖĒ statements. This is a public access website.
    Reality, DEAL with IT!

  6. #15
    Truly sad that there are such disturbed people in the world. I am sure what others said is correct. They are wanting publicity of their death

    The only person available to protect you 24 hours a day is you.

  7. #16
    What kills me, though, is the sheer number of unarmed people out there that had no option but to run. How have we become so TIMID?! It's utter insanity. I pointed to the TV and told my wife, "THAT RIGHT THERE IS WHY I CARRY!"
    Victory rewards not the army that fires the most rounds, but who is the more accurate shot. ---Unknown

  8. #17
    There was a good point made on the radio today. The news media of course will be blaming the availability of guns but will not call this shooter or any of the other mass killers evil because they do not believe in the concept of good and evil. Isn't it funny they don't think people can be evil but guns are?
    By faith Noah,being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear,prepared an ark to the saving of his house;by the which he condemned the world,and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith Heb.11:7

  9. #18


    Quote Originally Posted by PascalFleischman View Post
    What kills me, though, is the sheer number of unarmed people out there that had no option but to run. How have we become so TIMID?! It's utter insanity. I pointed to the TV and told my wife, "THAT RIGHT THERE IS WHY I CARRY!"
    +1. That is why I carry every place I go. I believe in a level playing field.
    By faith Noah,being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear,prepared an ark to the saving of his house;by the which he condemned the world,and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith Heb.11:7

  10. #19
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    Sep 2007
    St. Louis Metro Area (IL)

    The horrible tragedy at the Westroads Mall in Omaha, Neb. received a lot of attention Wednesday and Thursday. It should have. Eight people were killed, and five were wounded.

    A Google news search using the phrase "Omaha Mall Shooting" finds an incredible 2,794 news stories worldwide for the last day. From India and Taiwan to Britain and Austria, there are probably few people in the world who havenít heard about this tragedy.

    But despite the massive news coverage, none of the media coverage, at least by 10 a.m. Thursday, mentioned this central fact: Yet another attack occurred in a gun-free zone.

    Surely, with all the reporters who appear at these crime scenes and seemingly interview virtually everyone there, why didnít one simply mention the signs that ban guns from the premises?

    Nebraska allows people to carry permitted concealed handguns, but it allows property owners, such as the Westroads Mall, to post signs banning permit holders from legally carrying guns on their property.

    The same was true for the attack at the Trolley Square Mall in Utah in February (a copy of the sign at the mall can be seen here). But again the media coverage ignored this fact. Possibly the ban there was even more noteworthy because the off-duty police officer who stopped the attack fortunately violated the ban by taking his gun in with him when he went shopping.

    Yet even then, the officer "was at the opposite end and on a different floor of the convoluted Trolley Square complex when the shooting began. By the time he became aware of the shooting and managed to track down and confront Talovic [the killer], three minutes had elapsed."

    There are plenty of cases every year where permit holders stop what would have been multiple victim shootings every year, but they rarely receive any news coverage. Take a case this year in Memphis, where WBIR-TV reported a gunman started "firing a pistol beside a busy city street" and was stopped by two permit holders before anyone was harmed.

    When will part of the media coverage on these multiple-victim public shootings be whether guns were banned where the attack occurred? While the media has begun to cover whether teachers can have guns at school or the almost 8,000 college students across the country who protested gun-free zones on their campuses, the media havenít started checking what are the rules where these attacks occur.

    Surely, the news stories carry detailed information on the weapon used (in this case, a rifle) and the number of ammunition clips (apparently, two). But if these aspects of the story are deemed important for understanding what happened, why isnít it also important that the attack occurred where guns were banned? Isnít it important to know why all the victims were disarmed?

    Few know that Dylan Klebold, one of the two Columbine killers, closely was following Colorado legislation that would have allowed citizens to carry a concealed handgun. Klebold strongly opposed the legislation and openly talked about it.

    No wonder, as the bill being debated would have allowed permitted guns to be carried on school property. It is quite a coincidence that he attacked the Columbine High School the very day the legislature was scheduled to vote on the bill.

    Despite the lack of news coverage, people are beginning to notice what research has shown for years: Multiple-victim public shootings keep occurring in places where guns already are banned. Forty states have broad right-to-carry laws, but even within these states it is the "gun-free zones," not other public places, where the attacks happen.

    People know the list: Virginia Tech saw 32 murdered earlier this year; the Columbine High School shooting left 13 murdered in 1999; Luby's Cafeteria in Killeen, Texas, had 23 who were fatally shot by a deranged man in 1991; and a McDonald's in Southern California had 21 people shot dead by an unemployed security guard in 1984.

    All these attacks ó indeed, all attacks involving more than a small number of people being killed ó happened in gun-free zones.

    In recent years, similar attacks have occurred across the world, including in Australia, France, Germany and Britain. Do all these countries lack enough gun-control laws? Hardly. The reverse is more accurate.

    The law-abiding, not criminals, are obeying the rules. Disarming the victims simply means that the killers have less to fear. As Wednesday's attack demonstrated yet again, police are important, but they almost always arrive at the crime scene after the crime has occurred.

    The longer it takes for someone to arrive on the scene with a gun, the more people who will be harmed by such an attack.

    Most people understand that guns deter criminals. If a killer were stalking your family, would you feel safer putting a sign out front announcing, "This Home Is a Gun-Free Zone"? But that is what the Westroads Mall did.
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    --- Some of the friendliest people I have ever talked to are gun owners and shooters and according to the gun activists we are the mass murders and felons of the nation???

  11. #20
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    Oct 2007
    Florida,Port Richey

    Mall Shooting

    Unfortunately you will probably never see the news report that the mall is a "gun free zone" ,and the anti gun people will have a field day with this of course leaving out relavent facts to the story.It is too bad that there wasn`t anyone there that could have possibly stopped this person before he killed so many,but this is the time of the year when the nut jobs come out of the woodwork and unfortunately don`t discriminate who they take with them on their death wish.As was stated a bunch of times before.This is one of the reasons i carry all the time because you just never know and there is no safe place.Prayers go out to the familys.

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