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    Called local mall about gun free zone

    I called Grapevine Mills Mall in Grapevine Texas yesterday. I left a message on their managements answering machine. I asked in light of the shooting at a "Gun Free Zone" mall in Omaha if they were going to rethink ther policy at their mall. I reminded them that by denying CHL holders the right to carry at their mall they had assumed full responsability for our safety and in case of an attack at their mall they were leaving themselves open for a law suit. If they do not call me back I will contact them again. I intend to get a reply from them. I will let you know of their answer.
    By faith Noah,being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear,prepared an ark to the saving of his house;by the which he condemned the world,and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith Heb.11:7

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    I too sent off an email to the Security manager at the mall here in Northwest Arkansas asking what the mall policy was on conceal carry. I have not heard back from him as of tonight, not even sure if I will. If I have not heard back by next monday, I will call the mall office and see if I can get some answers.
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    Thanks for taking the time to do this. Even if you get a negative response the mall knows they may be losing customers due to their policies
    David

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    See my post is the "shooting at mall" thread. Probably the same issue.

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    I have to say

    that I appreciate you being assertive on this issue. A few years ago it seemed like everyone was always whining that we should be pussyfooting around these questions. Many would say, "Oh NO! Don't call the business and ask or they will post and then what will you do?" My answer is basically that I won't shop there unless absolutely essential if that is their policy. I have turned down money at least 3 times because the only payment option was through Pay-Pal and I refuse to use them due to their policies regarding firearms and magazines sales. If we don't let businesses know that it costs them business (and mean it) then they will assume that the only people who are offended by their policy are the vocal anti-gun advocates who threaten and bluster. It is the same as being quiet around politicians and letting them think their stance doesn't cost them your votes.

    Understand, I don't mean that you should stage a scene in the local Wal-Mart or mall, but instead make clear to owners/managers of posted businesses or those which make inadequate postings in a polite, rational statement that they are losing your business as a result of their policies.
    Reality, DEAL with IT!

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    don't they have to post at the entrances of the malls if you cannot carry, or any bussiness for that matter

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    Quote Originally Posted by ranger58 View Post
    don't they have to post at the entrances of the malls if you cannot carry, or any bussiness for that matter
    Ranger.I would imagine the sign would have to be posted at the enterance to the store so anyone entering, would be able see the sign and read it before entering.I have been told by people that our local walmart has a "no gun" policy, and i looked all over the front of the store as well as when you first walk in and i couldn`t find any sign that prohibits CC.I am however interested in where the business would required to legally post the sign if they do choose to be a no carry store.

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    I have looked at one of are walmart stores also and did't see anything, so just went ahead and did my shopping:)

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    Posting

    As far as I know all states require posting for businesses unless they are specifically restricted areas according to state laws (churches, banks, police stations, courts, etc.) or where they have prohibited CC completely. A couple of states require you to disclose to private individuals that you are carrying and secure their permission that it is okay with them to enter their home while carrying. In almost all states, even if not posted, the company has the right to request you to leave but loses the right to prosecute unless you defy their request. The problems come from the businesses where management or employees make verbal statements saying it is against policy or they have not posted in accordance with applicable law. Some states require the posting to have exact wording of certain sizes, in certain locations (particularly entrances) and/or contain the referenced statute number. Businesses and university campuses (and malls) were notorious for putting restrictions on their matriculation or employment policies but not posting legal signage on their building(s). In reality, many businesses with parking lots, multiple entrances and public accesses don't post properly. There have also been the fun incidents where the employee/manager decides you violated the law (and their company's policy) and proceeds to call the police, creating a major incident.

    The incident that best exemplifies the last point was 2 years ago (almost to the day) at a Best Buy in Indiana which threatened to disarm a lawfully carrying customer when he was challenged at the door to "show what was hidden under his coat." The location was not posted, a security guard verbally threatened to take the weapon off the guy's belt, the customer warned him that would not be a smart move, the manager called the police and...the police warned the manager about posting the premises properly if guns were not allowed and suggested to the security guard that he needed more training. They also advised the guard that if he ever tried to take a gun off of somebody lawfully carrying it would most likely be deemed an assault and he could be shot by the customer, AND THEN arrested if he lived. That BB and a couple of others in that area were then posted for a couple of days but the flap went to corporate, the signs came down and some sort of settlement was reached with the CC customer pretty quickly. The Wal-Marts used to have problems with this due to inconsistent employee training and rotation of employees to the sporting goods department where they didn't know what to do when a customer was buying guns, holsters, ammo or cleaning kits and they realized the customer had a gun on their belt.
    Reality, DEAL with IT!

  11. Quote Originally Posted by JC40 View Post
    Ranger.I would imagine the sign would have to be posted at the enterance to the store so anyone entering, would be able see the sign and read it before entering.I have been told by people that our local walmart has a "no gun" policy, and i looked all over the front of the store as well as when you first walk in and i couldn`t find any sign that prohibits CC.I am however interested in where the business would required to legally post the sign if they do choose to be a no carry store.

    If your local Wal-Mart is posted call corporate. That does not conform to corporate policy. I have been in 3 Wal-Marts in Kansas and none are posted.

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