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    Personal Defense Ammo Debunked

    Here's some really interesting reading about self defense ammo.

    Best Choices for Self Defense Ammo
    http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Self_De..._FAQ/index.htm



    tests, photos, logic, FACTS, no theories or wishful thinking here.


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    Thanks for the interesting read. Looks like the Federals I carry in my EDC didn't show so well in these tests. Probably won't change though since they are departmental issue for so many DoD and other federal agencies.


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    Thanx for the post.. Interesting info with links to other pages for more info..

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    The one absolute factor in choosing ammo is to have it in a reliable gun in your hand when needed. A .22 in your hand is better than a .45 in your safe and all the rest is Internet fodder. That is not to discount what kind of ammo you should use but the second most important factor in self defense with a gun is bullet placement. A well placed shot with a .32 is much better than a miss with a 10mm. The old story about a .45 will kill someone just by hitting them in the pinky is just a story. So after you choose a gun that you can and will carry, learn how and when to use it, then you can worry about which ammo to use. Bad guys seldom worry about ammo type and they do an effective job with WWB. But it is still fun and interesting to discuss the different types of ammo available and the what-ifs.

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    Nice, Thanks for the post.. Interesting Info...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felix View Post
    Thanks for the interesting read. Looks like the Federals I carry in my EDC didn't show so well in these tests. Probably won't change though since they are departmental issue for so many DoD and other federal agencies.
    Many agencies changed to Federal HST and Win Ranger T long ago. Most of them also have gone to 45 acp; as well as many local and state agencies.

    Of course, a hp that doesn't expand still makes a deep hole, no worse than fmj.

    Emphasis is again on AIMED double-tap,
    instead of spray and pray.

    If you've never tried it, shooting is very difficult when bullets are flying AT you.
    So I never find fault with someone's shooting accuracy under duress.

    "An eyeball hit with a 22 is better than a miss with a 44 magnum."

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    Here's Ayoob's column regarding actual field results.
    Choose your ammo...police style by Massad Ayoob Issue #93

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon Shumway View Post
    Many agencies changed to Federal HST and Win Ranger T long ago.
    Not sure what your point is...the FC-40HST (Federal #P40HST1 .40 S&W 180 gr) is what I carry...and what "many DoD and other federal agencies" use as I said previously. Glad to see you concur, Gordon.

    Now that I look at those charts again, I see the brands weren't rank ordered as I originally assumed; thus, my note that my favored Federals didn't do so well. Yea, I know what 'assume' stands for and that's what I get for going directly to the .40 S&W section without reading the capitalized caveat.

    Agree that the .45 Auto posts some very impressive numbers for law enforcement departments although I'm not aware of any mass exodus to the round other than the stalled USSOCOM program which is unlikely to be funded in these budget-cutting times. Some detractors I see from widespread movement to the .45 ACP by DoD as well as more specialized agencies would include joint service standardization, weapon size, weight, smaller magazine capacity in many competitive pistols, large grip size makes shooting (well) more difficult for small-handed shooters, reduced effectiveness against the modern body armor many combatants as well as BGs now wear (despite good ballistics gel and heavy cloth penetration numbers).

    The folks at Tampa had a very parochial view of the requirements for a new pistol when it was the Spec Ops Combat Pistol program. But then when they became the executive agent for the service-wide program, they did a less than stellar job of studying what kind of a pistol the non-snake-eaters would need and could use effectively. Subsequently the entire program was thrown into disarray when Congress ordered another study and funds weren't made available to continue prototyping/development. And now it looks like the M9 will continue to be the nation's sidearm.

    Lastly, of course the cute colloquialism you cite is always correct.


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    "An eyeball hit with a 22 is better than a miss with a 44 magnum."
    This is true but it seems that everyone keeps thinking that the only effective shot with a .22 is in the eyesocket. Many years ago a friend of mine was killed when the pistol his father was "playing with" fired. My friend was 14 at the time, was hit in the chest and the gun was a .22 revolver. A .22, .25, .32 etc. are all very dangerous if handled improperly. I had another friend that almost lost his leg due to a pellet gun and one who lost an eye to a BB gun. Safety is always first and foremost when guns are involved.

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