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    I was wondering what would be disadvantages and advantages of carrying hardball or hollow points. I'm more so thinking of the prices. I carry .45 if i go with regular hardball I can practice and carry and have no differences. I do know walking around with gold dot .45 acp is on another level but I feel very comfortable with fmj. I'm up for any suggestions.

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    hard ball has over penetration issues, other than that some people believe that HP rounds cause more internal damage because the bullet expands.
    either way shot placement is key.
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    I agree- I would worry about an FMJ passing thru your (human) target and hitting an innocent bystander.

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    Yeah, even if the original shooting proves to be justified, any collateral damage would not.
    Practice as much as you can afford with your carry ammo, make sure it functions flawlessly.
    Your range ammo should work good too, but not as important as the carry stuff.
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    The amount of rounds that completely miss their intended target, whether it's police or civilian, and hit a bystander going full velocity, is so significantly small, worrying about one that would pass through seems irrational.

    As noted earlier, it's a combination of placement, depth, and diameter of the wound channel that counts.

    You first have to hit your target, in areas that will stop the threat fast. This goal is usually gained by using the proper caliber and trigger time for the specific shooter.

    Then you have to reach the critical areas (cns or main artery or vein). This is done by using proper ammunition.

    If you can reach the critical areas, the amount of error in aiming can be compensated with a larger diameter. A 9 mm [0.35"] may expand to a .45, but a .45 will not shrink to a 9mm. If you take a .45 FMJ [0.45"] and compare it to an expanded .45 jhp [0.80 - 1.00"], a hollow point can be roughly 0.25"-0.50" off and still damage the vital area compared to a 9mm fmj, jhp, or .45 fmj.

    This is why I choose to use JHP.

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    Put me in a cold environment, where heavy clothing is normal...I'd have to go with a +p+ jhp or a fmj to ensure proper depth.

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  8. That's just it with hollow points... I would figure they could over penetrate too. Especially the bonded ones. They go through windshields and what not. The only thing you miss is the expansion with hollow points as far as .45...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graylon View Post
    That's just it with hollow points... I would figure they could over penetrate too. Especially the bonded ones. They go through windshields and what not. The only thing you miss is the expansion with hollow points as far as .45...
    Jhp are meant to expand in soft tissue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firefighterchen View Post
    The amount of rounds that completely miss their intended target, whether it's police or civilian, and hit a bystander going full velocity, is so significantly small, worrying about one that would pass through seems irrational.
    unless i misunderstood your comment-
    I'm speaking of the FMJ hitting the target & passing thru (rather than mushrooming & staying put) - and hitting whatever else behind it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Courtney.cj.chen View Post
    unless i misunderstood your comment-
    I'm speaking of the FMJ hitting the target & passing thru (rather than mushrooming & staying put) - and hitting whatever else behind it.
    No, I think you got it right. The amount of times a bystander has been hit by a stray bullet is so small (where the bullet holds its highest potential, and is going in a straight line from the barrel to its impact), worrying about a round that will be significantly slower and more often than not in another direction after it passes through a body, is irrational.

    Maybe that's a little harsh, but we are talking handgun calibers. Should it be thought of when choosing ammunition? Sure, there is nothing wrong with thinking about every aspect...but over penetration is not one i personally put at the top of my priority list...If anything under penetration is more of a concern for me.

    FBI academy firearms training unit manual titled “Handgun Wounding and Effectiveness”.

    "An issue that must be addressed is the fear of over penetration widely expressed on the part of law enforcement. The concern that a bullet would pass through the body of a subject and injure an innocent bystander is clearly exaggerated. Any review of law enforcement shootings will reveal that the great majority of shots fired by officers do not hit any subjects at all. It should be obvious that the relatively few shots that do hit a subject are not somehow more dangerous to bystanders than the shots that miss the subject entirely.

    Also, a bullet that completely penetrates a subject will give up a great deal of energy doing so. The skin on the exit side of the body is tough and flexible. Experiments have shown that it has the same resistance to bullet passage as approximately four inches of muscle tissue.

    Choosing a bullet because of relatively shallow penetration (i.e. Glaser Safety Slugs, .380, 9mm, etc.) will seriously compromise weapon effectiveness, and needlessly endanger the lives of the law enforcement officers using it. No law enforcement officer has lost his life because a bullet over penetrated his adversary, and virtually none have ever been sued for hitting an innocent bystander through an adversary. On the other hand, tragically large numbers of officers have been killed because their bullets did not penetrate deeply enough."

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