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    Need some advice on a good carry gun for a woman

    Doing some research for a friend of mine and I'm trying to decide between a 357 mag or a 38 special +P revolver.

    I like the knockdown power of the mag, but it requires a 4 inch barrel to take advantage of the load or one might as well use a 38 special +P. Not to mention the extra flash and bang, which can be bad at night, that comes from a 2 inch 357.

    I know that 38 special and 357 mag can be fired from the same gun but is weight is an issue? 17oz vs 38oz for the particular ones I am looking at..

    Now picture a 110 pound 5'7 woman with petite hands.

    Is the 357 just too much for a woman her size?

    Is the 38 special +P round a decent SD round?

    Time is of the essence as the store she works at had an unruly shoplifter last night, who made lethal threats against her as well as the rest of the store employees, WHILE HE WAS WAITING AT GUNPOINT for the police to arrive. Threats such as "I'll be back to get all of you", understandably has her on edge.

    Thanks for the help.

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    My advice is to get her to a range and let her handle some different weapons for comfort and fit, then do some range time with rentals or borrowed units if possible. IMO, picking a weapon for someone is only a very last ditch resort.

    In the circumstance you describe and also assuming she's a good friend with adequate firearms familiarity, I would loan her whichever of my guns she felt most comfortable with for the short run, then get her to some stores this weekend if she is unnerved by this incident. Of course, the loan of the firearm would be subject to the laws of the state and area you reside. Regrettable, but the reality we live in.
    Reality, DEAL with IT!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unfettered Might View Post
    Doing some research for a friend of mine and I'm trying to decide between a 357 mag or a 38 special +P revolver.

    I like the knockdown power of the mag, but it requires a 4 inch barrel to take advantage of the load or one might as well use a 38 special +P. Not to mention the extra flash and bang, which can be bad at night, that comes from a 2 inch 357.

    I know that 38 special and 357 mag can be fired from the same gun but is weight is an issue? 17oz vs 38oz for the particular ones I am looking at..

    Now picture a 110 pound 5'7 woman with petite hands.

    Is the 357 just too much for a woman her size?

    Is the 38 special +P round a decent SD round?

    Time is of the essence as the store she works at had an unruly shoplifter last night, who made lethal threats against her as well as the rest of the store employees, WHILE HE WAS WAITING AT GUNPOINT for the police to arrive. Threats such as "I'll be back to get all of you", understandably has her on edge.

    Thanks for the help.
    She will need to try both. I can tell you from experience that the 2" barrel lightweight .357 Mag revolver felt like a bomb going off in hand when fired. I did not like the feel of it. I have a 4" .357 mag revolver and that has lots of buck and snort with full house mags.

    The short barrel will not be good with full mags as you stated. No benefit will be had, due to lots of extra flash, huge recoil and muzzle flip. That makes quick shots and or follow up shots tough. If she is a new shooter that will make the experience less then stellar.

    Then again I could be presuming (which in the past I have been accused of and found guilty of) so...

    I would be inclined to buy a Ruger LCR or the LCP for that matter..
    The LCR gets high marks for reliability, is very small and easy to conceal, has no exposed hammer and the trigger is easy to work. It's rated for .38spec +P.

    Perhaps worth the look.

    Peace...
    You can give peace a chance alright..

    I'll seek cover in case it goes badly..

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    A 357 or 38 with +P is perfect. Make triple sure, a 38 pistol says 38+p on it before inserting +p rounds.
    A 357 pistol is built more soild then .38. It will fire any and all +p 38 and 357.
    Stay away from the .357 rounds for most people. Especially in small revolvers. They hurt the shooer, almost as much as the shootie.

    A revolver is very simple. It will work 99% of the time.

    5' 7" @ 110 lbs? Someone buy that girl a cheeseburger.

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    I actually can not choose a weapon for you or any other woman. I do know that I own a Sig Sauer 226R. I am extremely happy with it. It is made for a man with big hands. Very dependable and very popular for civilians, law enforcement and the military. Sig Sauer just came out with a new version of the Sig 226. They changed the grips and I believe this is especially good for wemon. It is a 9mm and I do not feel it is to much for you to handle. I have a 9mm and it is great. The Navy Seals also use a 9mm. The model number of this weapon is 226X5-9-TAC. I really think you should check it out. I would suggest you go to the Sig Sauer Web Site and review the information in reagard to it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ecocks View Post
    My advice is to get her to a range and let her handle some different weapons for comfort and fit, then do some range time with rentals or borrowed units if possible. IMO, picking a weapon for someone is only a very last ditch resort.

    In the circumstance you describe and also assuming she's a good friend with adequate firearms familiarity, I would loan her whichever of my guns she felt most comfortable with for the short run, then get her to some stores this weekend if she is unnerved by this incident. Of course, the loan of the firearm would be subject to the laws of the state and area you reside. Regrettable, but the reality we live in.
    Yeah I tried that, but she can't rack the slide reliably and even pinched the skin on the side of her finger and I had to get it off her lol. Semi's are out as an option and I don't own any revolvers...yet. I would love to take the proper time to let her try different guns, but it's just not feasible under the circumstances.

    Quote Originally Posted by 6shootercarry View Post
    She will need to try both. I can tell you from experience that the 2" barrel lightweight .357 Mag revolver felt like a bomb going off in hand when fired. I did not like the feel of it. I have a 4" .357 mag revolver and that has lots of buck and snort with full house mags.

    The short barrel will not be good with full mags as you stated. No benefit will be had, due to lots of extra flash, huge recoil and muzzle flip. That makes quick shots and or follow up shots tough. If she is a new shooter that will make the experience less then stellar.

    Then again I could be presuming (which in the past I have been accused of and found guilty of) so...

    I would be inclined to buy a Ruger LCR or the LCP for that matter..
    The LCR gets high marks for reliability, is very small and easy to conceal, has no exposed hammer and the trigger is easy to work. It's rated for .38spec +P.

    Perhaps worth the look.

    Peace...
    Everything I've read about the 357 in a 2" echos what your saying, it's definitely not an option, I'm just sweating that 2.6 pounds of gun she'll have to carry. I'll just have to wait until I get there and compare it when it's actually in my hand.

    Quote Originally Posted by theicemanmpls View Post
    A 357 or 38 with +P is perfect. Make triple sure, a 38 pistol says 38+p on it before inserting +p rounds.
    A 357 pistol is built more soild then .38. It will fire any and all +p 38 and 357.
    Stay away from the .357 rounds for most people. Especially in small revolvers. They hurt the shooer, almost as much as the shootie.

    A revolver is very simple. It will work 99% of the time.

    5' 7" @ 110 lbs? Someone buy that girl a cheeseburger.
    I was going for 125g 357 as a way to gain the benefits of the round without all the power associated with the larger grains. The revolver is the only way to go for her. Like I told her, if there's a problem in a SD scenario, just keep pulling the trigger. I was going to have her practice with the 38s of course and let her try the 357 round and see if she could handle it or not. Figured something like the first couple rounds +P and the rest 357 if she came across some drug crazed assailant. I told her that if the first 2 shots didn't do it, the next would and she probably wouldn't need the rest.

    Oh and she looks just FINE the way she is lol.

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    .357 Mag 125gr hollow points (Federal cartridge# 357B) are what I run in the Model 65 S&W. Try them first!!! They are stout in a small 2" revolver and they are gonna hurt some for a lady. Not being a male pig here, I didn't like it..

    The Ruger LCR is light weight @ 14oz unloaded and it's a polymer frame w/ small 5 round stainless cylinder. Check local prices. $400 or so for online prices.

    Ruger LCR Double-Action Revolver Models

    Peace...
    You can give peace a chance alright..

    I'll seek cover in case it goes badly..

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    Personally, I believe you are letting this situation place you in a dangerously reactive response to a perceived threat.

    You say she cannot rack a slide, fine. What are the odds she will need to do an underfire reload anyway? If she has no time for training (a serious, glaring problem in this whole situation), give her your best fitting auto with one in the chamber, safety on and ready to go or DA w/ the hammer down. That gets her something ASSUMING it is within the laws of your state for how she wishes to carry it.

    Then go find her a 6-shot, shrouded .32 revolver while she takes some training to learn how to handle higher grade firearms and discover what she is comfortable with as a long term carry.

    Perhaps her sense of urgency is coloring this but the situation you outline screams of stopgap measures which can result in tragedy due to a "never enough time to do it right" mentality. In this case, if it goes bad you probably won't get to do it over though.
    Reality, DEAL with IT!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ecocks View Post
    You say she cannot rack a slide, fine. What are the odds she will need to do an underfire relaod anyway? If she has no time for training (a serious, glaring problem in this whole situation), give her your best fitting auto with one in the chamber, safety on and ready to go or DA w/ the hammer down. That gets her something ASSUMING it is within the laws of your state for how she wishes to carry it.

    Then go find her a 6-shot, .32 revolver while she takes some training to learn how to handle higher grade firearms and discover what she is comfortable with as a long term carry.

    Perhaps her sense of urgency is coloring this but the situation you outline screams of stopgap measures which can result in tragedy due to a "never enough time to do it right" mentality. In this case, if it goes bad you probably won't get to do it over though.
    I have to agree here. If it's for what she expects will happen tomorrow or in the next day or so, poor planning and lack of working knowledge could work against her. Not to insult, just to state what I'm sure you know and feel as well.

    If she intends on beginning down the road to "responsible firearms ownership" then let the journey begin. Take it slow and find what works for her long term as stated above.

    The idea of having that kind of power and not quite enough time to learn to use it, manage it, whatever you what to call it can be tragic for her or others.

    Just 2 pennies out there for public rebuke... Good Luck..

    Peace..
    You can give peace a chance alright..

    I'll seek cover in case it goes badly..

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    Well you guys are right I am concerned about the lack of training. The weekend is coming up and I will have her out on the range to do some training. She has been hunting before for small game and has used a rifle just not a handgun. So at least I know for sure she knows which one is the business end.

    I agree that her having to clear a stovepipe or a misfire are slim, especially with high grade SD ammo. I just know that with a revolver, she isn't going to have a problem period. I won't be having her get a 2" revolver if I go with a 357, it would be a 4". I might go with a 2" if I decide on a 38 though.

    Making some assumptions here, the guy isn't going to be getting out anytime soon and I have at least the weekend to have a couple days of instruction on not only the use of her handgun but also the SD laws in Kentucky.

    The rules are really lax here on ownership. No registration is required for person to person transfers. OC cannot be regulated by our constitution, although exceptions were made for detention centers, courthouses and K-12 schools.

    She can just OC until I can get her into a CC class, which works better for her job. She's allowed to carry there but they would prefer it to be concealed, although they have told her that they will make a temporary exception for her until she can get her CC license.

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