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  1. #11
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    Mar 2010
    Topeka, Kansas
    Glock 17 or 19, then also buy an Advantage Arms .22 kit for same. The AA kits are very, very good gear to own, and allow the best of both worlds with the issues that you have to deal with.

    You get the cheap practice and low recoil of a .22, you still have your centerfire pistol.

  3. First Gun

    If I had little training in handling a sidearm, and wanted it mainly for home/personal protection, I would have to go with a Taurus Judge (which is actually one of the pistols I do own); its ability to shoot 410 shotgun shells and .45 cal ACP rounds (and to load a mix of the two) - IMHO makes it ideal for the first time home defender. You would definitely want to practice some - it does have a kick - but if somebody has just kicked in your door - you do not have to worry about a proper sight alignment - point in the general direction and fire... My first chamber is a small game shot, followed by some buckshot, finishing up with .45 cal and buckshot. My wife has no problem handling it - and she is hell on watermelons at 25 feet!

  4. #13
    I'll second those suggesting a primary centerfire semi-auto with a .22LR conversion kit. Advantage makes great kits for 1911 pistols and Glocks. Ceiner makes .22LR kits for the 1911, Beretta/Taurus 92, Browning Hi-Power, and Glocks. The website has conversion kits for Glocks, the 1911, SIGs, CZ-75, and EAA Witnesses. MarvelPrecision makes kits for the 1911.

    By going with a .22LR conversion kit you'll have the advantage of being able to get a serious self-defense (or target) centerfire pistol and still be able to shoot lower cost, lower recoil .22LR ammo on the same frame. Besides giving you two calibers on the same license (you really need to leave New York) that also lets you shoot both calibers with the same grip and trigger. I liked it so much that I gave my Ruger MkII to my son when he got home from the Marines simply because I realized that all of my rimfire shooting was being done with my 1911 fitted with a Ciener conversion kit.

    Keep in mind that if you choose a Glock m22 or other Glock in .40S&W you can convert it to .357SIG simply by changing barrels and recoil springs. That, along with a .22LR conversion would give you three calibers while still owning only a single handgun.

  5. Former Brooklyn Boy

    Welcome to taking your defense into your own hands . As a kid from east Flatbush, I agree with the whole get outta Dodge philosophy, but if that's not an option, then get the best gun you can afford now, don't go small and hope to trade up "someday".
    If you don't have a lot of experience with handguns, then maybe a revolver, or 'wheelgun' would be a good option. A .38 special or even a 357 loaded with .38s would not have a lot of recoil, it is simple to operate, almost NEVER jams (I said almost, stuff happens ) and is usually a bit less expensive than a semi-automatic. I carry a .45 normally, but also have a .357 as a backup loaded with 38's but I would feel totally confident with just the 357.

    As far as the mil-sup rifle goes, there are some good web sites you can order from, if NY allows it. I have a Saiga AK-47 and it shoots great.

  6. #15
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    Aug 2009
    washington state
    i carry a north american arms mini-revolver 22 magnum that also came with a 22 lr conversion cylinder. i realize that i am in the minority regarding 22 caliber but the mini-revolver is extreamly easy to conceal and the magnum is more effective than the 22 lr. please realize that as many have found out(some the hard way) a 22 can be quite lethal. i believe that the 22 with you is better than the 44 at home. during winter i sometimes carry a charter arms 38 special when my wardrobe allows. even then my 22 serves as a back-up. whatever you do make sure that you are comfortable with the gun. and you can never practice enough. besides practicing is fun and can be a family affair. good luck.

  7. #16

    Thumbs up 4 calibers, 1 frame

    +1 for full size, 9mm, 22 conversion

    I prefer a G22. You can have the .40, .357, 9mm, and 22, with the correct barrels and conversion. Same magazine for .40 and .357.

    I have used my G22 with a 9mm barrel and 9mm mags (no other changes) for well over a year and am very satisfied (practice only). No problems.
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  8. #17
    I agree with all those recommending a centerfire 9mm pistol. Sticking with the most widely produced and affordable NATO round is never a bad idea.. And you can get some super hot and heavy slugged self defense loads when you're ready for that stuff.

    As for which pistol. 3 basic things to consider:

    1. It must fit your hand like a glove.

    2. If you can only have one, then a very good choice is something that can convert to a 22LR. It will be so worth it in the long run. Nothing is cheaper and more fun than shooting buckets of 22LR. Or you can look at (if it fits you), the Sig's that convert to a 9mm. Cart, Horse, makes perfect sense. A link for you

    3. Unless you plan to carry it all the time, don't get anything too light either... the lighter it is, the more recoil is amplified. Range and home defense pistols should have some weight to them... 2 lbs is plenty

    Good luck!

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  9. Thanks for all the info guys. I guess a conversion kit (if its legal in NYC) would be my best bet. If not, maybe I could get a nice Glock or revolver. Moving won't be an option for a while unfortunately.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Sirf_palot View Post
    So basically, I'm looking towards the future when I can legally acquire for a pistol (premises) permit in NYC (and rifle permit hopefully, want to get a milsurp rifle). But in this case, I only want some advice on pistols. I've read on many sites that amateurs should buy a .22 cal pistol first as to learn proper handling techniques as they say that if I go straight to centerfire pistols, I'll develop bad habits. But being from NYC, I can't waste that valuable permit for a .22 pistol. So what could I do to mitigate these problems? Any advice?
    Either a mid-sized .357 (K or L frame Smith, Ruger GP-100, Colt Trooper/Python, that general size) with no less than a 4 inch barrel OR a full size 9mm semi auto.

    WHY do I suggest those options?

    1 Availability.

    Either can be found readily in both new and used sections of every gunshop worthy of the name.

    2 Price.

    Look into the used, Police trade in types guns. Most are carried a LOT and shot VERY little in comparison and many, like the Glocks, have been traded back to the manufacturer who fixes what needs to be fixed before putting them back out onto the market.

    The wheelguns that were on the market after the big semi auto change over in the '90's looked a bit rough on the outside on occasion but were barely broken in mechanically. Screwed up grips can be replaced by making 1 call to Midway and shelling out $25-30 for a new set of Hogue rubber grips. I couldn't have cared less about the slight holster wear that was on the PAIR of 4 inch heavy barrel Smith and Wesson Model 65's I picked up for $400 OUT THE DOOR back in '98. Both of them had crisp rifling, locked up tight, had no end shake and could shoot better than I can hold.

    3. They are cheap to feed.

    Price 9mm and .38 Special ammo in bulk. There ain't many calibers that consistently run cheaper for factory ammo. You also can it down to about $5 or less per 50 if you reload.

    4 They are easy to shoot.

    Loaded with the proper ammunition, either can and have been used to teach folks to shoot many times before. I personally learned on a 9mm Browning hi Power and I've taught folks with both a medium frame 357 or a 9mm on several occasions. It depended on which fit their hand better and which one I had the most ammo for at the moment.

    Just because the revolver is marked '.357 Magnum' doesn't mean you have to shoot them in it. I normally use either the standard pressure 158gr .38 special or a .38 special 148gr wadcutter target load when teaching. Which depends on what I have on hand and whether or not I think that the mild recoil of the 158gr 38 could pose a problem for a very recoil shy person. Wheelguns have an advantage here because you can load them way lighter than you can a semi auto since they don't need to cycle the action like a semi auto must.

    5 They are capable of good accuracy.

    While the standard service 9mm isn't normally a 'one hole' gun (as in shoot all of a string's shots in 1 ragged hole), it is more than capable of producing groups the size of the bottom of a Coke can all day at reasonable ranges. That's plenty accurate enough for a novice to figure out if they are doing every thing right.

    A mid sized, 4 inch 357, loaded with .38's, should be capable of that 'ragged 1 hole' group if the shooter does their part if shot single action (and double action, too, for that matter but it's a LOT tougher than it looks).

    6 They are 'powerful' enough that they are realistic self defense tools.

    If you gotta defend yourself, either one is more than capable of doing the job IF you do your part. AND there's a plethora of quality self defense ammunition out there that will function in either.

  11. +1 for full size, 9mm
    Frankly I'd go with an Smith &Wesson M&P 9mm

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