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    Quote Originally Posted by Bagger Jim View Post
    I would how ever like to add that a .40 S&W round Will stop them DEAD in there tracks through winter clothing, because of the extra stopping Power. As well as several other obvious factors. The FBI wasn't looking for another stronger and better round than the 9mm for no reason at all. It has it's benefits over the 9mm...
    No handgun bullet will stop everyone "dead" every time.

    I know of several very high round count fails-to-stop incidents where the .40 was used.

    Google up the Pete Solis fight and you'll read about his having to shoot his attacker more than 20 times with 165gr Ranger-T from a Glock 22 before the bad guy quit the fight.

    Just one example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blogengeezer View Post
    ABQ NM APD officer killed a Career, violent Repeat offender that had drawn on the officer. He shot the perp with a .45. The ABQ Journal and news media attacked the veteran officer relentlessly. The perp had not yet chambered a round. Officer was carrying a large caliber weapon (cruel and inhumane .45) he was questionably not 'trained' to carry. He shot the perp too many times. His Facebook posting mentioned his job as 'Human Waste Disposal'. The media always paints a nasty pic of the shooter and his 'gun' when one of it's favorite 'repeat offenders' is permently eliminated.
    I hate to say this but... if the officer was posting "his job as Human Waste Disposal" he was asking for trouble. I much as we may agree that his job entailed some disposal... it would be VERY easy for someone to use this and make it sound as though he was "hunting" for trouble. After that.... well in the eyes of the media... it's all fair game and it's ALL ALWAYS bad !
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    It's just guy at a gun store with an opinion. We all have them and can probably cite information that supports our opinions. That's all. A guy at a gun store near me seemed discouraging about Kel Tec pocket pistols. When I asked him further, he mentioned that they are rated for less rounds than other guns, which is just one of many factors to consider. I guess he likes guns rated for more rounds that wil probably last longer. That still makes sense, but it may just be part of the equation.

    If he thinks 9mm is the best, then good for him. You disagreed and went elsewhere, which is good as well.

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    As a long time pistol carrier I can say that there are times my 92F in a shoulder rig is a better option as in driving for hours, tucked neatly under the arm and easy to get to if needed while seated. Other times such as in slightly cooler weather when a concealment garment can be worn, my 1911 on my hip, since I just love Ol' Slab sides :-) In the hotter months I go for my 3" Ruger GP100 or my K40, with an untucked shirt these two vanish on my frame and no one knows I am carrying. Bullet placement stops fights though caliber helps. If one can hit with a 9 but miss with anything bigger then the 9 is the right caliber for that person. For some so called Pro at a gun shop to say otherwise is doing a disservice to his or her customers.

    Sorry for the long winded post but every time someone asks me what is the best gun I always ask what do you shoot the best ... there ya go.

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    I was recently told by an instructor from Sig that the 9mm in +P is approaching ballistics of larger rounds. This is for the newer current rounds on the market. I like the .40 but love the extra capacity in 9mm. Now there may not be such a trade off. Guess I will have to try some 9mm in +P.
    No I don't mean my own ballistics testing, just see how they shoot. In this conversation the .357 sig was given great review.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tpd223 View Post
    No handgun bullet will stop everyone "dead" every time.

    I know of several very high round count fails-to-stop incidents where the .40 was used.

    Google up the Pete Solis fight and you'll read about his having to shoot his attacker more than 20 times with 165gr Ranger-T from a Glock 22 before the bad guy quit the fight.

    Just one example.
    I looked that article up and it states that the police were using department issued Glock 19's and shooting 9mm 124gr Speer Gold Dot. Whats amazing is that the suspect survived after being hit 23 times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigSlick View Post
    I looked that article up and it states that the police were using department issued Glock 19's and shooting 9mm 124gr Speer Gold Dot. Whats amazing is that the suspect survived after being hit 23 times.
    Wrong gunfight, that one was NYPD.

    Pete Solis was in a shoot-out stemming from a car stop, ended up shot several times by the suspect, with a Glock 22, and hit the bad guy over 20 times with 165gr Ranger-T from his G22.

    Not too long ago a copper in NOLA had to hit a suspect 9 times center mass with 230gr +P Ranger-T launched from a Glock 21 before the bad guy quit.


    Then, well, there is the Navy SEAL in this incident, hit 27 times at close range with 7.62X39 and 5.56 rounds;

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    “It was in a room that was 12 by 12,” Navy Seal Sr. Chief Mike Day said. “The gunfight was initially started by them shooting the rifle out of my hands. I pulled out my pistol and got into it with four dudes. I was shot 27 times, 16 to the body and 11 to my body armor.”


    Note; said SEAL, after having his M4 shot from his hands, and being hit 27 times, then pulled his Sig 226 (a 9mm) and killed all four bad guys.

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    I would say it was his personal opinion. Mine is, shouldnt carry anything larger than a .40 just because Im a fan of it. I speak to other people on a regular basis who say the same thing of 9mm and dont see the need for anything larger.
    You did good by getting someone else in the convo. I kinda laughed myself seeing that someone actually said, shouldnt carry anything larger than a 9 lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Itstjs View Post
    I would say it was his personal opinion. Mine is, shouldnt carry anything larger than a .40 just because Im a fan of it. I speak to other people on a regular basis who say the same thing of 9mm and dont see the need for anything larger.
    You did good by getting someone else in the convo. I kinda laughed myself seeing that someone actually said, shouldnt carry anything larger than a 9 lol.
    I think his boss just got a big delivery of 9mms in the day before

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