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    9mm vs 380acp

    Ok, I know I'm most likely beating a dead horse here, as I'm sure this topic has been discussed several times on this site by now, but I am new to the forum and have an impossible time finding concrete answers to the debate of 9mm vs 380acp for concealed carry. I currently own a Kahr PM9 and absolutely love it. I'm certainly not an expert in guns, but I've shot enough different ones to know what I like. My dilemma... sometimes (say about 10% of the time) I either can't conceal my PM9 or can, but am self conscious the whole time thinking its shape is noticeable to others. I've been considering picking up a Kahr P380 since I love my PM9 so much, but money is an issue at the moment. I also have a Keltec p3at and don't like it at all. I'm tempted to sell the 9 and pick up the P380 for now so I have something of good quality that I can carry at all times, but most everyone I've talked to says don't do it. I would likely pick up another PM9 down the rd, but need a full time carrier now. There are SO many differing opinions about whether or not .380 is sufficient for personal protection. I don't know what to think. Thoughts anyone??

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    A hit with a .380 does more dammage than a miss with a hand grenade.

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    "I also have a Keltec p3at and don't like it at all."

    Sell it and buy the .380

    While the .380 wont have the energy the 9mm will deliver, it's big enough to do a lot of damage and kill.

    I have also been thinking about my side arm printing but I have gotten used to it. Shorts, tee shirt, sandles and a S&W 9mm. I know it shows it self off and Ive seen others eyes snap to it. Really not concerned though. Its open carry here and I have my CWP so...

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    First, welcome to fold. I agree with G50AE to the point that regardless of what you carry, a "small" bullet hit is way better than a "big" bullet miss. But my question is, is a Khar .380 really that much smaller than a PM9. The PM9s I've seen look small ebough to drop in your pocket and forget it was there. My suggestion is, overcome your mental obstacles and stick with the PM9. I agree with your friends. If you sell it you will regret it. Sell the Keltec instead. As for caliber potency, all the "experts" I've read from and talked to say the the .380 is the minimum caliber sufficient for personal protection. So, will it do the trick? Probably, but rule of thumb says carry the biggest caliber and physical gun size you can with confidence. Comfort and compromise are the enemy of proper and efficient concealed carry.

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    When you look at the numbers, the 380 isn't much smaller, but when you actually hold them, you can feel a big difference. What I really want to do is just what you said, sell the keltec, keep the pm9 and buy the kahr p380 for those situations where the 9 just won't work. Ideally, I want both...

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    Quote Originally Posted by m.ritz:215523
    When you look at the numbers, the 380 isn't much smaller, but when you actually hold them, you can feel a big difference. What I really want to do is just what you said, sell the keltec, keep the pm9 and buy the kahr p380 for those situations where the 9 just won't work. Ideally, I want both...
    Sounds like a plan...

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    I also have a PM 9 I carry, however I have a Ruger LCP I use at times. The LCP is light and easy to conceal . One thing I would do if you buy a LCP is go to gunsprings.com and get a set of 13# springs for the Ruger. The Ruger comes with a 9# spring and by installing the 13# it reduces felt recoil by 1/3.They do make the springs for the KEL-TEC but you may not like the Kel-Tec because of the trigger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pmb61:215543
    I also have a PM 9 I carry, however I have a Ruger LCP I use at times. The LCP is light and easy to conceal . One thing I would do if you buy a LCP is go to gunsprings.com and get a set of 13# springs for the Ruger. The Ruger comes with a 9# spring and by installing the 13# it reduces felt recoil by 1/3.They do make the springs for the KEL-TEC but you may not like the Kel-Tec because of the trigger.
    Do they make those springs for the LC9 also?

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    Quote Originally Posted by m.ritz View Post
    When you look at the numbers, the 380 isn't much smaller, but when you actually hold them, you can feel a big difference. What I really want to do is just what you said, sell the keltec, keep the pm9 and buy the kahr p380 for those situations where the 9 just won't work. Ideally, I want both...
    That is kinda like what I do, except I kept the Kel Tec. I have a Kel Tec P-3at and PF-9. The P-3at is smaller and easier to conceal than the PF-9, so depending on where I'm going and what I'm wearing, I have choices.

    If it is winter, when I can wearing an overcoat of some type, I'll even move all the way up to my Glock 17 in a shoulder rig or my Glock 26 IWB.

    It is good to have different options that you can work with, just make sure that you train with your options and keep mentally aware of which carry setup your using.

    BTW, what did you not like about your Kel Tec?
    Kershaw Shallot 1840, Kel-Tec P-3at, Kel-Tec PF-9, Glock 17, Glock 19, Glock 26, Kel-Tec SUB-2000 9mm (Glock 17 mag compatible), Maverick Arms 88 Security 8-shot 12 gauge.

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    My problems with the keltec are #1, it has jammed on me 11 times in my 1st 120 rounds through it. I'm sure I just picked up a rare defective one though. I sent to keltec, who is servicing it as we speak. Problem #2, is that I personally find the grip to be too short for me. I don't mind small grips. My pm9 has a small grip that a lot of guys don't like, but I love, so I'm not one of those "I like somewhere for my pinky" kind of guys at all. I do, however, like somewhere for at least my ring finger! That's 1 reason I want the Kahr p380, grip height is only a tenth of an inch shorter than pm9, so it's small enough to conceal, but tall enough to get a good hold on.

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