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  1. #101
    I typically carry with one in the chamber.I feel like if I need it,i want it to be ready.But,as has been stated,it is a personal choice.Do what's best for you.Mainly I just wanted to have the 100th post on this thread.
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  3. A review of incidents over the last few years indicate very little warning was given to the victim. Therefore, I carry hot.

  4. #103
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    I picked up a P-3AT last month, and it doesn't have a safety - of any kind. The trigger is just a bit heavy for such a small gun (8 lbs) and that's it. I still carry hot, and I really like the idea that I can pretty much just draw and fire immediately without having to worry about what button or switch to push.
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  5. Maybe we should start a thread on knives with rubber blades. That way no one would get hurt accidentally.

  6. #105
    i carry a compact 1911 cocked and locked and a small .380 double action with a round in the pipe. quality guns are precision machines. they have long trigger pulls, double action, or multiple safeties, single action. go to the range and practice until you are comfortable with your gun. guns don't just "go off". once you are comfortable with the operation of it, you will be comfortable carrying knowing it only does what you want it to.

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    My CC weapon of choice is a Springfield [SA] XD-9 x 19. A sturdy no frills $450 made in USA model. That could be good, domestic parts are normally easier to replace than foreign if trade embargo is going down, or no so good as other nations make some fine similar style pistols or better quality but what if I needed a Korean Daewoo replacement slide stop pin fast? I use 9mm Luger 115gr FMJ for range-fire, more expensive then re-loads or cheap ball but they more accurately emulate the CORBON rounds and what or how I fire on a range IMHO is what I should feel like with more lethal & expensive stopping-power ammo, then switch to 'CC-ready' 9mm JHP's, CORŽBON, 115gr, 1,350fps (ammo of choice) 10 in the clip and 1-chambered, perfect for me. This true sub-compact is light, non-bulky: 6" length, 5" tall and 1" wide it is very easy to keep out of sight. Packing an M1911 in summer with jeans + a T-shirt is an art I have yet to master, even stuck in a BDU cargo leg pouch it STILL looks like a BF gun! In a CQC situation if IMHO you don't have a bead on what is threatening your life U may as well just close the distance, take your chances that the perp is expecting U too flee not rush 'em and grab a sharp knife about evens the odds of a misfire or an armed citizen's shooter brain-fark. My self-imposed maxim or litmus-test is: one/one-thousand, move to a squat-legs spread profile & draw from a 'normal looking' front wrap around velcro release CC fanny pack w/ 3 clips in reserve. Two/one-thousand, (aim) & three one-thousand (fire), if 1 & 2 ain't convinced 'em I am not now ready to. A fit perp can close on U/me from 20 meters in a 4 second rush. Add more time to cock an empty chamber 1-2/secs B 4 I get back to the aim part, perp has now moved 10 meters closer to me, so it makes sense I keep status-quo, 1 chambered & ready to shoot 24/7. One 9mm center of mass hit should do the (minimal force) trick (slow not kill), 2 = sloppy shooting (maybe kill, wound again or oops, miss) and 3 rounds with no effect IMHO = I am shooting the place up, panicking and probably will get me a place in the local newspaper Sunday obituaries. So practice makes perverts, or something like that. Owners of the XD-series know it has no external/side safety release lever(s) or even button(s). That is why I chose it, 1 less step to take to get to the 'shoot' part. It does have a web (between thumb & trigger-finger) pressure bar that must be fully flush with grip to disengage the firing pin, the rear safety is # 1, so I must have sufficient pressure there or pulling triggers (all 3 of them!) simultaneously does not work, and vise-versa, good pressure but if I slip pulling all 3 triggers @ once (not that hard to do in a crisis) it will lock the gun if all I manage to pull are 2 out of 3, so both the (3) triggers and the rear/pressure safety bar must work together or they lock-up, add one final indicator which is one hard to see in the dark white (glows in dark) round 2mm dot/nipple at the rear of the upper housing assembly of the pistol tells me 1 round is cocked & ready to fire, no-dot nipple means none in the chamber. My biggest concern is in the heat of a CQC situation I have to ensure I handle the weapon perfectly or it locks-up, as it is supposed to, any one picking an XD-9 up if I drop it may not even figure out the safeties B 4 I am 2 blocks away & still running for my back-up. So depending on the gun, the shooter's familiarity with it (a must for Springfield's vs. say a Glock), the situation and the perp make it either a very fast draw/point/shoot weapon in practiced hands or a 'Hold up a second B 4 U knife me while I figure this bastard out!" SNAFU.
    With use I like the small size, the weight, the balance, almost no recoil, no drift off 1st round placement, the accuracy and the fits into my palm feel like an extension of my hand that any good pistol must have or it just ain't your type of gun mind-set. But drop a loaded XD-9 (or any SA pistol) & 50/50 that it will discharge and then I'm screwed. Wouldn't swap it for any other small CC weapon but absolute familiarity with it is a must or like all Springfield's the dual atypical safety set-up make it as hard to use as an M9 with sand in the spout if I haven't got it out, pointed and discharged in 3 seconds. A cocky senior 'Nam era MP NCO once told me that "Just the sound of a pistol (M1911) getting 'ka-chink' loaded loud sound was often all it took to freeze a perp into a stunned halt." He lost that premise when he pulled, yelled halt, cocked his weapon and went to fire, lost 3 seconds doing the show 'n tell bit, my 911 crew picked him up at a domestic in Pearl City, HI (rough hood unless you are a local brah!) where a drunk perp/Vet was clinically deaf from too many way loud noises throughout his tenure in service and was on top of the MP fast; stuck him with a kitchen knife right thru the heart and he bled out en-route to Tripler AMC, code-3 all the way in, exsanguinated. So pros & cons of 1 up the spout, depends on so many variables that I just leave mine ready white dot showing me in 3 seconds I can squeeze off @ least 1 round, but only if I'm holding the grip a tad tighter than I like for a good aim. But (making enemies) I would rather have any caliber of Springfield than a similar CC pistol with an external safety to think about flipping up/down to 'fire' or same with one that has speck of sand/rust in it's safety that slows the magic click sound indicating it is now ready to fire any day. I do consider it probably one of the most unsafe pistol period to have around kids of ANY age from 2 to 82 as with no external safety needed it sure is a fast SOB in the right hands, and disaster in the wrong. "Hey this thing ain't even loaded, where's the safety?" and starts pulling triggers to find out if it is! End self-eval SITREP on my CC weapon of choice. Have I posted my 'Achilles-Heel'? Well only the targets tell and in 3 seconds from a position of attention I can normally drop 6" to a crouch, pull aim & nail within a center bulls-eye round target @ 20 meters with 7 of 11 rounds inside the center ring + maybe 3-4 in the red. I get long winded (NS!) but 1 in the spout is 3 seconds closer to using your weapon, taken out and entire weapon cleaned/oiled & function-checked at least every 3 months (more often if used on a regular range basis) is IMHO gun-smart.
    Regards,

    Canis-Lupus
    Last edited by Canis-Lupus; 03-01-2008 at 12:22 AM.

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    Israeli draw

    With me, it depends on the gun. While I was active duty I carried the M-9 with one in the chamber set to fire per the AFI. But when I tried to use a Hi-Point .45, I did not trust the gun and opted instead for Israeli draw. With the USP .45 it was right back to one in the tube set to fire. I think most SA/DA should be carried set to fire with one in the tube. 1911's were designed to be carried cocked and locked. Hi-Point .45s were designed to be tied to a length of 550cord and used as a boat anchor.
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  9. #108
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    I carry a Glock 36 without one in the chamber. But after reading most of this thread, I think I'll start keeping one in.

  10. #109
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    I carry a 1911 and carry it the way it was desinged 1 in the chamber cocked and locked. But I am very familar with this firearm.
    "Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence ... From the hour the Pilgrims landed, to the present day, events, occurrences, and tendencies prove that to insure peace, security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable . . . the very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that is good" (George Washington)

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    Quote Originally Posted by flounder22 View Post
    One in the chamber? You bet I do. My main carry is a Kel-Tec p-3AT. They are DOA, no safety, fairly heavy and long trigger pull. My safety is between my ears.
    One of my guns is a Kel-Tec P3AT. When you chamber a round in a P3AT, the hammer is left in a partially cocked (half-cocked) position. The trigger pull is considered double action but, they have no second strike capability. The trigger pull is fairly long (0.4 to 0.5 inch) but I sure don't consider it "fairly heavy" as you say. It's only 5 to 6 pounds which is in the range of a lot of single action automatic pistol trigger pulls. I have a Taurus 605 SH2 Titanium 5-shot revolver that has a double action pull around 12 pounds. I consider that "fairly heavy". Anyway, regardless, I consider the Kel-Tec with its long double action pull safe with one in the chamber.
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