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    Quote Originally Posted by amrote View Post
    Festus, with all do respect you have not lost until you are dead. One of the most important aspects in carrying a gun either for duty or to protect yourself is mindset. You must have the will to WIN not survive. This is taught by LE, Military, and Civilian Instructors across our nation. In numerous force-on-force scenarios I have participated and taught I have seen people freeze when they are shot. After some coaching they get mad and fight to win. Have a reason to live: revenge, going home to see your family, anger, not letting this POS take you from your family, ect and fight to win. I am glad you train and respect the fact you are comfortable with this method. I was not knocking the method, just trying to make you think for a moment. Take every technique you have been taught and find a way to make it better for YOU. We are all different and not everything is best for everyone. I admire the fact that you train, and want to encourage you to continue to do so.
    I do not expect to loose. I qualified expert while in the USAF and I have shot competitively in the past. I have confidence in my training and tactics. I have always maintained that if your gun clears the holster the time for talking is over. My point was exactly what you alluded to...gunshot victims tend to freeze up. Part of it is the disbelief that they now have a hole and are bleeding. Part of it is shock. Part of it is the bad day effect. I do have the will to win. I also have the ability to train monthly (keep in practice) and the love of freedom to carry.
    When I leave the house...little buddy is right there every single time unless I am headed to the base or other restricted area (I work in the aerospace industry...different set of rules than the widely known FL parking lot law...damn liberal thinking on the part of the Federal Govt' forcing itself on the states rights).

    I respect the guys that carry a round in the tube.There are only a handful of guns I would trust to carry on in the chamber set to fire. Glock is not one of them. I have owned striker fired pistols in the past and do not trust them. If I owned a 1911 I would most definitely carry one in the tube cocked and locked.

    I trust my training because I have timed drawing and shooting from a loaded chamber perspective and I have timed Israeli draw. I was extremely close on time due to the presentation style and therefore am comfortable with it.

    I am fully mentally prepared to defend myself and would hope that every other member of this forum is as well. I have seen the worst the world has to offer while on active duty. I am grateful to live where I do and am grateful to be free.
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  3. I've tried this technique and found you really need tough hands. Otherwise,at least in my case, you soon lose the skin from the racking hand. I don't have the time or free ammo to develop this application to 100% success. I'll stick to C&L and use a good holster.

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    israeli draw

    i always carry with one in the pipe as the gun i have is double action on the first shot and single action after that. no disrespect to the israeli's but i feel my system gives me the advantage.

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    Has absolutely nothing to do W/ the Iraelis "knowing what they're doing". It actually is the specific result of most of them NOT knowing what they were doing when the IDF was formed. They had a lot of different semiautos W/ different manuals of arms, and mostly fire arms illiterate troops. It was decided for safety to standardize condition 3 carry.

    When I first started to carry I always carried it in condition 3 for "safety". Long story short I got confronted in a dark parking lot in a very bad part of town early one morning and I drew. In the stress of the moment I completely forgot that the chamber was empty. luckily the defensive display was enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by festus View Post
    I do not expect to loose. I qualified expert while in the USAF and I have shot competitively in the past.
    Tell me, while all this was going on , was any body shooting back?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Treo View Post
    Tell me, while all this was going on , was any body shooting back?
    Kinda immaterial, isn't it? I train very regularly and hardly ever with anyone shooting back at me.
    Prov. 27:3 - "Stone is heavy and sand a burden, but provocation by a fool is heavier than both"

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJFlash View Post
    Kinda immaterial, isn't it? I train very regularly and hardly ever with anyone shooting back at me.

    Yes and no, remember the scen in "the Shootist" where JB and Gillom are shooting and Gillom points out that he's firing just as accurately as Mr. Books?

    Books replies "There's nobody up there shooting back"

    I train assuming that I'm going to be starting waaay behind the power curve I do "expect to lose" If I don't hey it's a bonus if I do or I'm gravely injured in the fight my mind's (hopefully) prepared for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Treo View Post
    Tell me, while all this was going on , was any body shooting back?
    Noope...but I have been deployed to the middle east 13 times since Desertshield/storm before retirement in 2006. I have seen both the best and worst that part of the world has to offer. Situational awareness is your best friend and risk management is right up there as well. I received Hostile fire/imminent danger pay and tax free status while deployed for a reason. What about you?
    1. If you are being shot at MOVE...move to cover and do it before shooting back.
    2. If you can access your weapon while moving and provide cover fire great do that...remember you are responsible for every round you cut loose with
    3. Take the shot...STOP the threat. Do so by training consistently and training often.
    4. Use what ever works for you. If you are comfortable with a striker fired gun with no external safety (glock) go for it. I do what is good for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by festus View Post
    Noope...but I have been deployed to the middle east 13 times since Desertshield/storm before retirement in 2006. I have seen both the best and worst that part of the world has to offer. Situational awareness is your best friend and risk management is right up there as well. I received Hostile fire/imminent danger pay and tax free status while deployed for a reason. What about you?
    You want to just go ahead and lay them in the dirt and measure 'em?

    Read my post above your's then get back to me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Treo View Post
    You want to just go ahead and lay them in the dirt and measure 'em?

    Read my post above your's then get back to me
    OK your ball...What exactly are you getting at? The average street thug is not a well trained individual...if they were you would see them portrayed on deadliest warrior or some other such nonsense. My point is React like you were trained to. A good plan now is better than a great plan dreamed up while in a drug induced coma in the Intensive Care Unit. I really don't want to fire my weapon if i don't have to. If I do it will be to stop the threat. Not to kill and not to wound but to stop. Make the BG stop and make the situation safe again. No one knows how they will react in combat until they are there. Trained individuals fall back on their training and usually live to see another day. Untrained individuals act in unpredictable manners and that scares the Hell out of me. It should scare you too.
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