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    Quote Originally Posted by Izzy4175 View Post
    I take empty brass and reloaded them with just the bullet, no primer or powder. Its alot cheaper then snap caps. Just make sure you keep them separate from live ammo, I have a .40 caliber hole in my living room wall thanks to my cousin mixing his magazines up as a constant reminder to always check and double check.
    I've seen the 'no primer' loads used in training classes but the no-loads are always died black or some other easily recognized color to separate them from the brass loads. Do you do that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by stngray713 View Post
    Hey folks, I have been visiting this site frequently but just decided to jump in to the discussion. I have been wanting to incorporate malfunction drills into my training. What I am wondering is could I cause any damage to my firearm buy loading expended brass into my magazines? It seems like it should be fine but every time I think about the sharp edge of the brass jamming into the chamber I cringe a little. I know I could use snap caps for this but they aren't cheap and I worry I will lose them in the dirt or across the firing line at the range as I plan to try and clear the malfunction quickly without losing sight of the target. Any thoughts or advice would be appreciated.
    If you take a block of aluminum or preferably steel and a 27/64" drill bit with a 118 degree crown (point) and drill a shallow hole (I'd go about 1/4" deep at the most) in the block, you might be able to gently tap an expended .40 cal brass into the cone at the bottom of the drilled hole. It would act like a reverse flaring tool. I've never done this so I don't know if it would work, but Hey! You never know.

    I'm not too sure how well a brass-only load would work in the magazine. I think it'll cause the jam you want but with a the live round above the brass-only
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    Quote Originally Posted by 84B20 View Post
    This is a disaster waiting to happen. You'll rue the day you mixed up the dummy ammo with the real thing and I can almost guarantee that it will eventually happen. Take a handgun course at Front Sight and you'll learn how to dry practice the safe way, and no, I'm not associated with them other than being a member.
    While I agree that the use of expended cartridges for practice can lead to problems, If the guy is hedging on buying $10 snap caps, what make you think he can afford the cost of the airline ticket to Nevada and the steep entry fee to get into one of Front Sight's classes?

    No offense or degrading of the OP meant by my comment.
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    Good advice so far... But no-one has mentioned one of the VERY best (and cheapest) ways to get to train on malfunction drills.....

    Buy yourself a used jennings or jimenez .22, lol... I can promise you that you will get LOTS of practice clearing malfunctions....

    BTW, I actually like them, they are quite good looking and a great size... but would NEVER depend on one to go bang if I NEEDED it to, they are just fun to have in the range bag to mess around with, and .22 is cheap!

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    When I'm running a class, I use dummy rounds that are orange polymer, but with brass or nickel cases. I get them from Law Enforcement Targets (no official affiliation, just a customer). After I teach malfunctions and clearance, I give one to each student for each of their training mags and instruct them to load it randomly in each full mag. After that, I just run my normal drills. I probably have 20 each of 9mm, .40, .45 and .357 sig.

    The dummy rounds load reliably, can't be mistaken for live rounds, and force a student to deal with at least one malfunction in every mag. Before they come off the line, students quickly police up their dummies-after the line is clear.

    There's no substitute for dry fire, and frankly you can dry fire a lot more often than you'll get to the range. In addition to your dry fire routine, I recommend you try the dummy rounds. By reacting regularly (but at random intervals), you will quickly learn to react appropriately.

    Here's the link to the dummy rounds I've had the best success with Law Enforcement Targets, Inc. - Dummy Rounds

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    Quote Originally Posted by walt629 View Post
    While I agree that the use of expended cartridges for practice can lead to problems, If the guy is hedging on buying $10 snap caps, what make you think he can afford the cost of the airline ticket to Nevada and the steep entry fee to get into one of Front Sight's classes?

    No offense or degrading of the OP meant by my comment.
    Certainly no offense taken. It's actually a great point. I really can not afford to take a vacation and go to front sight. It is not so much that I can't afford the $10 for snap caps it's just that I don't like to spend money if there is a DIY solution, plus I'm afraid I would lose my snap caps in the tall grass at my outdoor range or across the firing line at the indoor range. But I bit the bullet so to speak and got the snap caps so I don't hurt my baby.

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    Quote Originally Posted by walt629 View Post
    While I agree that the use of expended cartridges for practice can lead to problems, If the guy is hedging on buying $10 snap caps, what make you think he can afford the cost of the airline ticket to Nevada and the steep entry fee to get into one of Front Sight's classes?

    No offense or degrading of the OP meant by my comment.
    Without proper training you are risking your life and the lives of others. While it may be expensive, the lives I refer to are even more costly. It is foolish to think you can get by with just dry practice without some professional guidance in the first place. Do LEO's start their careers by just hopping in a patrol car? Whether one goes to Front Sight or any other training facility that should be a first priority when one carries a firearm. Just basic common sense. IMHO. And by the way, my first four day handgun training course at Front Sight cost me less than $50. If you watch for some of the special offers you can get deep discounts on the courses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillip Gain View Post
    Don't be a cheapskate. BUY THE SNAP CAPS. Source them on the internet, they aren't THAT expensive, and they're a one-time purchase.
    Another vote for snap caps. There is no way the good ones can be confused with real ammo. I'm not a big fan of the plastic ones, but many people use them with great success. I prefer the aluminum ones from A-Zoom. You will use them more than you think, trust me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stngray713 View Post
    Hey folks, I have been visiting this site frequently but just decided to jump in to the discussion. I have been wanting to incorporate malfunction drills into my training. What I am wondering is could I cause any damage to my firearm buy loading expended brass into my magazines? It seems like it should be fine but every time I think about the sharp edge of the brass jamming into the chamber I cringe a little. I know I could use snap caps for this but they aren't cheap and I worry I will lose them in the dirt or across the firing line at the range as I plan to try and clear the malfunction quickly without losing sight of the target. Any thoughts or advice would be appreciated.
    I can get snap caps for about $0.50 a round. How many do you need that they are expensive? Also, find snap caps that are dayglo orange, you can find them very quickly.

    If you are a DIYer, take some silicone and fill the empty casing as this will eliminate the sharp edge. If you spray paint them yellow or orange, you'll find them quickly too.

    I've heard of others using rubber automotive tubing and cutting it to size. I personally haven't tried this, but I can't see why it wouldn't work if you purchased the correct diameter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stngray713 View Post
    Hey folks, I have been visiting this site frequently but just decided to jump in to the discussion. I have been wanting to incorporate malfunction drills into my training. What I am wondering is could I cause any damage to my firearm buy loading expended brass into my magazines? It seems like it should be fine but every time I think about the sharp edge of the brass jamming into the chamber I cringe a little. I know I could use snap caps for this but they aren't cheap and I worry I will lose them in the dirt or across the firing line at the range as I plan to try and clear the malfunction quickly without losing sight of the target. Any thoughts or advice would be appreciated.
    Since I carry a revolver my malfunction drill consists only of pulling the trigger again.

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