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    Smile Kill Zone

    Thought the following that I received from USCCA today was good so I am sharing it.


    http://www.usconcealedcarry.org/Inne.../KillZone.html
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    By faith Noah,being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear,prepared an ark to the saving of his house;by the which he condemned the world,and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith Heb.11:7

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    Wink The enemy ambush is the 1st sign to counter-attack.

    Lessons learned, and forgotten, now being taught again to our young warriors & their leaders. Reaching back thru well documented situations where overwhelming enemy power, set into an ambush mode expects the targets to flee at the 1st volley. The very last 'Broken Arrow' tactic yet a proven one is to muster survivors, organize the FUBAR into a hasty safer, covered/concealed rally-point/CCP/hasty dustoff LZ, and rally those fit enough to fight back into a scaled-back IRF unit, distribute ammo, call in for arty/air, pop-smoke to mark to ID-FF, fix-bayonets charging right back at (still reloading) enemy troops who did not expect anything but your di-di outa dodge from their well planned kill-zone. Gets a tad fuzzy in a MOUT rumble but can still be pulled off if your leaders (NCO's) know their stuff. "Never let the enemy choose the place nor the time on which he will fight you." To kinda quote old Sun Tzu :orangehat:
    U. S. Special Operations Medal of Honor Recipients A-F
    Above gives you some way-heroic & very factual examples of how even Sun Tzu with his still working tenants of waging war can and was negated by those who took a beating by ambush, regrouped and counter-attacked ASAP, either to their victory, or total defeat. One hyped-up regimental armored cav force is not going to repel any combined air/land entrenched BG's @ odds of 1000 -1 of U in a counter-attack on a Russian mech corps even working, but it beats waking up a bound WIA/POW in a cattle-car bound for a concentration camp in Siberia & the slow horrible death awaiting U there! Plus it slows them down just long enough for the USAF or USN to plonk some flash-bang kinda fissile kit on a fixed/ID-FF and stationary enemy. My job age 19 Fulda Gap! Average life expectancy if Ivan crossed the line: 15 mins! NATO's 'speed-bump' maybe giving REFORGER a chance to work. Doubtful! How many NATO nations can still go up against a runs just fine T-72 or a BMP? Maybe the best U.K. Chieftain MBT, but the rest are still out-gunned and they know it.
    Those of you who think we will never rumble with Ivan again, take a look @ those ex-Soviet Georgians and how many p/o-ex Reds are massing to make sure that place don't go NATO! There have already been some clashes and unless those break-away from the Bear way of life get some seroius back-up then we'll be back in the Balkans/Caucuses (again) where the 'war to end all wars' started 94 years ago, or 97 for us cautious but finally got there Yanks! :kissy:

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    Unhappy Soviets

    Quote Originally Posted by Canis-Lupus View Post
    Lessons learned, and forgotten, now being taught again to our young warriors & their leaders. Reaching back thru well documented situations where overwhelming enemy power, set into an ambush mode expects the targets to flee at the 1st volley. The very last 'Broken Arrow' tactic yet a proven one is to muster survivors, organize them/FUBAR into a hasty safer, covered/concealed rally-point/hasty dustoff LZ, and rally those fit enough left to fight back into a scaled-back IRF unit, distribute ammo, call in for arty/air, pop-smoke to mark to ID-FF, fix-bayonets charging right back at (reloading) enemy troops who did not expect anything but your did outa dodge from their well planned kill-zone. Gets a tad fuzzy in a MOUT rumble but can still be pulled off if your leaders (NCO's) know their stuff. "Never let the enemy choose the place nor the time on which he will fight you." To kinda quote old Sun Tzu :orange hat:
    [urlS. Special Operations Medal of Honor Recipients A-F[/URL]
    Above gives you some way-heroic & very factual examples of how even Sun Tzu with his still working tenants of waging war can and was negated by those who took a beating by ambush, regrouped and counter-attacked ASAP, either to their victory, or total defeat. One hyped-up regimental armored av force is not going to repel any combined air/land entrenched BG's @ odds of 1000-1 of U in a counter-attack on a Russian mech corps even working, but it beats waking up a bound WIA/POW in a cattle-car bound for a concentration camp in Siberia & the slow horrible death awaiting U there! Plus it slows them down just long enough for th USAF or USN to plonk some flash-bang kinda fissile kit on a fixed/ID-FF and stationary enemy. My job age 19 Fulda Gap!
    Those of you who think we will never rumble with Ivan again, take a look @ those ex-Soviet Georgians and how many p/o-ed Reds are massing to make sure that place don't go NATO! There have already been some clashes and unless those break-away from the Bear way of life get some serious back-up then we'll be back in the Balkans/Caucuses where the 'war to end all wars' started 94 years ago, 97 for us Yanks! :kissy:

    Canis-Lupus :26:

    Canis-Lupus wrote:

    Those of you who think we will never rumble with Ivan again, take a look @ those ex-Soviet Georgians and how many p/o-ed Reds are massing to make sure that place don't go NATO! There have already been some clashes and unless those break-away from the Bear way of life get some serious back-up then we'll be back in the Balkans/Caucuses where the 'war to end all wars' started 94 years ago, 97 for us Yanks! :kissy:


    I have never thought the Soviets ever changed their strips. Consider the following quote.

    Dimitry Manuilski was Professor at the Lenin School of Political Warfare in Moscow in the 1930s. He announced a plan in case the United States resisted in the latter stages of world conquest and would not surrender: "War to the hilt between communism and capitalism is inevitable. Today, of course, we are not strong enough to attack. Our time will come in thirty to forty years. To WIN, we shall need the element of surprise. The western world will have to be put to sleep. So we shall begin by launching the most SPECTACULAR PEACE MOVEMENT on record. There shall be electrifying overtures and unheard of concessions. The capitalist countries, stupid and decadent, will REJOICE TO COOPERATE to their own DESTRUCTION. They will leap at another chance to be friends. As soon as their GUARD [military] is down, we shall SMASH THEM WITH OUR CLENCHED FIST."

    I would suggest a couple of books if you want to know what the Soviets are really up to. You can research them on the web.

    1. New Lies For Old by Anatoliy Golitsyn

    2. Through the Eyes of the Enemy: by Stanislav Lunev
    By faith Noah,being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear,prepared an ark to the saving of his house;by the which he condemned the world,and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith Heb.11:7

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    Cool Old Bears don't become tame ones.

    You know it kinda made (MAD) sense, the 'Evil Empire' with Ronny R., as the guy who faced down the Bear, red stars marked targets, muj didn't all wear civilian Muslim robes and hide in mosques shooting AK's at us from behind the dresses of their women or kids. I kind of miss the ID-FF (Dr. Strangelove) concept! Still smarting from the Cuban missile show-down, on October 22, 1962 JFK postured nuclear against a still raging Nikita S. Khrushchev,:ranting2: Soviet Premier to Western ambassadors at a reception in Moscow 17 Nov 56: "Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you!" Smashing his shoe on the podium for a bit of Cossack flair. Then the wall came down and IMHO that was no victory, it just allowed free right of passage into the rest of the EU by sworn communists posing as born again capitalist$. Vlad Putin (ex-KGB with a liking for E-Germany 1975-1990) and Clinton cutting U.S. military strength in half with pen-strokes, saving Soviet bombs from doing it with force, with a smiling Russian counterpart swearing peace & cooperation with our new friends in the west. Cheating on his wife and most of the American public was all the rage of Gladnost! On the last day of the 20th century, Boris Yeltsin resigned and appointed Vlad as acting president. Presidential elections were held on March 26, 2000. Putin received 52.94 percent of all votes, sounds about as fudged as the same thing happening in Florida only a few months earlier when another Bush grew on the White House lawn out of questionable fertilizer. The inauguration took place on May 7, 2000. The "grey cardinal" stepped down to even more power than he ever had as the president because the KGB never really went away they just changed their suits and bought up nations with ex-Soviet obsolete weaponry, just like we do with the Saudis and those other oil-rich 'allied' caliphates trading oil for old U.S. weapons was our gig with 'Uncle Saddam' when he went after those bad old Iranians, and make no mistake that bear is blood-red and Russian to his dying day, may it be real soon.
    Now if we could only figure out how to seed the start of a good old conventional Chinese vs. Russian war of attrition that did not suck us in and we could supply both sides with copies of Windows Vista to mess both sides tactical targeting computers up :icon_question: Bill Gate$ could then pay off our national debt, and still be stinking rich!
    " We're going to have to fight the Russians eventually anyway. It might as well be now while we've already got the army here to do it." George S. Patton (A Prophet?)
    Thinking like that could get a nice wolf like me in trouble....just another bad dream I guess, howlllll.....

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    I just hate walking in line trying to draw fire. Nuke the bastards.

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    That's some pretty good info.
    Thanks for posting it.
    Give everybody guns.
    Natural selection will cull out the idiots.

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