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  1. #41
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dewhitewolf View Post
    When I took my course last year, they did not allow us to clean our guns there. They just told me that the gun could handle not being cleaned for a few days. They also urged us not to clean guns in our hotel rooms, as there have been incidents at some hotels of guns discharging. Then the hotels want to blame Front Sight.

    Enjoy your class! Let us know how you made out!

    If folks follow proper procedures for safe firearms handling, then there should be no problem with firearms discharging in hotel rooms. Any training organization that would suggest otherwise would cause me to seriously consider the validity of their other training. They may be good in specialized training, but if they can't get the basic fundamentals right, then in my mind, the rest of their training would be suspect. JMHO

    I sincerely hope that you were mistaken in hearing that the instructors suggested that ND incidents are possibly caused by their students.



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  3. #42
    The training by the instructors is top notch. Unfortunately, you can't be sure that everyone will behave exactly as trained once they have left the facility. Also, remember that Front Sight trains more students than all the other schools combined. There are thousands of students a year that stay at the Golden West. I don't know if the ND's occurred during cleaning or dry practice, but they happened. Other shooting schools have encountered the same thing, one that I know of with fatal consequences.

    As for cleaning the guns, my brother and I just popped the tail gate down during the lunch break and gave our pistols a thorough cleaning.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Dewhitewolf View Post
    When I took my course last year, they did not allow us to clean our guns there. They just told me that the gun could handle not being cleaned for a few days. They also urged us not to clean guns in our hotel rooms, as there have been incidents at some hotels of guns discharging. Then the hotels want to blame Front Sight.

    Enjoy your class! Let us know how you made out!
    Yeah, I'll probably just bring a couple brushes and some lube. It'll give me a chance to really test out the Weapon Shield (http://www.weaponshield.com/) I have been using.

    I have everything booked and planned... now if I can just be patient till October! :hilarious:

    Thanks guys! :y:
    Last edited by Sgt. SIG; 05-30-2008 at 12:09 PM.


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  5. #44
    When I went they never said anything about gun cleaning in our rooms, just that it wasn't a good idea to dry practice in them. That's just it, there is so much information available there, a person should go more than just once. I plan on going again in the next 2-3 years for a refresher. :icon_great:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glock Fan View Post
    If folks follow proper procedures for safe firearms handling, then there should be no problem with firearms discharging in hotel rooms. Any training organization that would suggest otherwise would cause me to seriously consider the validity of their other training. They may be good in specialized training, but if they can't get the basic fundamentals right, then in my mind, the rest of their training would be suspect. JMHO

    I sincerely hope that you were mistaken in hearing that the instructors suggested that ND incidents are possibly caused by their students.
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    As an instructor, you should know of all people that not everyone does what they were trained to do. Not everyone is vigilantly cautious about gun safety, even after taking a course. To blame the instructor or training facility for a careless student is the same as the media blaming the NRA, any other pro-gun organization, or gun owners in general, for crimes committed with guns.

    To clarify, FS instructors urged students (at least my class) not to handle firearms in their hotel rooms. They were not trying to discourage people from cleaning their guns or not to dry practice, but they cannot control what people do on their own. One incident involved "an experienced rifleman" discharging his rifle, which went through several hotel rooms (thankfully no one was hurt). Another incident involved two irresponsible guys practicing presentation by quick drawing and pointing at each other--one was still loaded and ended up shooting the other unintentionally.

    I heard from several other students that hotels in the Pahrump area actually require guests to sign an agreement not to bring firearms into their rooms. Again, this is because of carelessness of prior guests.

    While you are entitled to your humble opinion, I have first hand experience with a course at Front Sight. I am presuming you do not. Front Sight emphasizes safety quite heavily.

    IMHO, four day defensive handgun course taught at Front Sight is better than any NRA course I took.

  7. #46
    I heard from several other students that hotels in the Pahrump area actually require guests to sign an agreement not to bring firearms into their rooms.
    I stayed at Pahrump Station. I signed no such agreement. I was on my way to class one morning and I needed to stop in at the front desk. I was openly carrying my sidearm. All in attendance saw the weapon and had no comments about it, with the exception of a woman whose husband was attending the course also. She ask me if I knew what time she could expect her husband to return. Additionally I had maid service curtailed during my stay. When asked for the reason I told them that I had valuables stored in my room, including firearms and ammunition for the course. As has been stated so many times before, dressing in appropriate clothing, being well groomed, polite and smiling puts most people at ease even if they see you packing. People of Pahrump are well aware of the business that Front Sight students bring into their town. I find it hard to believe that they would jeopardize that by limiting their guests activities. Besides how many thousands of students pass through that place Vs. how many dumba$$es$ cause a negligent discharge. The thought of playing "quickdraw" even with "empty guns give me chills. I taught firearms safety for nearly fifteen years and witnessed 3 incidents of "empty" weapons not being empty. When the wife and I went to the casinos for dinner I left our guns in the room, with a do not disturb sign on the door. I don't know the policies of the other two hotels in town, but I highly recommend the Pahrump Station.:Image19:
    SINCE WHEN IS IT EXTREME TO SUPPORT THE CONSTITUTION?
    THE AMERICAN FLAG SHOULD BE ALLOWED EVERY WHERE IN THE UNITED STATES!!!!
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  8. #47
    Saddle West requires guests to sign the agreement that firearms will not be taken into the rooms. I also learned about the guy shooting a rifle through several rooms and the 2 guys drawing against each other. I believe that those 2 stories actually happened at a training facility other than Front Sight and that the instructors used them as an example that every student should be careful and not do anything stupid.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by DarrellM5 View Post
    Saddle West requires guests to sign the agreement that firearms will not be taken into the rooms.
    That's just one of many reasons the locals call that place "Saddle Worst"! :icon_cheesygrin:

    I made my reservations at the Pahrump Station. :bigsmile:


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  10. Wow maybe they should not give them any ammo. Police chief shoots self ,dea agent does same. Have a class on tasers no guns allow. Sh--t happens guns don't shoot by themselves it must be the fingers.Leave fingers on the range. Send me to Black water.

  11. #50
    I'm signed up for the 4 day handgun course in September, got what I think is a great deal, the course plus a new Springfield HD with accessories for $1200. Glad to hear so many think the training is excellent, one always wonders...
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