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  1. Use Of Sight Shooting In Close Quarters Gunfights

    Here's a link to a new article of mine that you may find of interest.

    Feel free to copy/print/share/post it as you like.
    A pistol is not a rifle, so why shoot one like it is.

  3. I was going to start a new thread with the following, but this seems to be a good place for it.

    I'm looking for pics - films - videos of Sight Shooting + other shooting methods being used effectively in real close quarters gunfights.

    I have added a page to my site which will have links to them. Here's the URL: http//:AIMED Point Shooting or P&S For Self Defense

    You should be able to see hundreds to thousands of pics and videos of Sight Shooting, since Sight Shooting has been taught for 100+ years; and film and videos have been around for at least 50 of those years.

    And as there are million and millions of handgun owners in the U.S. of A., there is a giant pool of possibilities to draw from, plus there are thousands of handgun trainers.

    Even the NRA can participate as they offer handgun training via NRA certified handgun instructors, and as I understand the situation, Sight Shooting is the main shooting method taught.

    Now realistically, I don't except much if any response as I have been involved in the area of close quarters self defense for 10+ years, I have yet to run across even one pic or video of Sight Shooting used effectively in a real close quarters gunfight. I have a patent for a handgun aiming aid that was patented back in 2000, so you can count me as more than just an interested bystander in regards to handgun self defense use.

    My only aim :) is to determine/use the method/s that provides the best chance of aiming and shooting accurately at close quarters in a real life threat close quarters situation, becasue it is in CQ situations where the likely hood of your being shot and/or killed is the greatest.


    Per NYPD statistics, 75% of gunfights occur at less than 20 feet, and if you are going to be shot and killed, there is an 81% chance that it will be at less than 6 feet, and a 90% chance that it will be at less than 15 feet.

    The only savings grace is that the mis rate in armed encounters is more than 80%. That means that for every five bullets fired at a target, four+ go somewhere else. So, unless you are having a very unlucky day, chances are you will not be in a gunfight, and if you are, you will survive.


    So, I would appreciate it if you or anyone could provide me with URL's to place on mynew page of Sight Shooting and/or other shooting methods, being used effectively in real close quarters gunfights.

    I will check them out, and if they appear to be factual and fair as to their presentation, I will add them to the top portion of the page.

    Rejects will be added at the bottom of the page if appropriate for viewing by the general public.

    Please send them to ps (at)

    I also would appreciate being sent URL's to Pics - Videos - Films that show alternate shooting methods, such as FAS, QK, CAR, P&S, ..., that also show them to be effective in close quarters gunfight situations.

    I will add them as links below those showing Sight Shooting being used effectively.

    The method being used does not have to finely defined. For example, there are two pics on the new page of alternate methods being used.

    In one, Jack Ruby is using P&S to shoot and kill Oswald. A close examination of the photos discloses the he truly is using P&S. In the second photo, it is obvious that a drugstore guard is using a modified two handed isso grip to dispatch a robber.

    Would be nice to know that the shooting method you plan to use to defend your life and your loved ones, has actually been used in close quarters combat. Trust but verify makes sense.

    Just saying something is so, doesn't make it so, now-a-days in the age of the electron.
    A pistol is not a rifle, so why shoot one like it is.

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    As a civilian, if you find yourself in a gun battle, I'd say you're already having an "unlucky" day.
    "There is no consitutional right to be protected by the state against being murdered by criminals or madmen." (7th Cir. 1982, Bowers v. DeVito)Stay safe, and stay

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    i have figured after many ours studying and hours at the range. point shooting can and will save yourlife,
    you can side step draw and fire before your assailint will be able to track you horizontally and fire an effective shot. it takes alot of practice but if you get it right to where it is instinct if will save your life civilian or not

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    I have been researching the CAR system, Center axis relock. I think it sounds pretty good for close range fighting. Has anybody here tried this ? I just wonder if its worth learning ?

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    What distance do you guys call close range shooting?

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    If you are an "average joe" who is not a 20plus yards marksman or probably a bit closer, you have to make a decision real quick on using a firearm. It may not be a second but every bit of a second counts and point shooting IMO is the only method that, if done with some practice, will save you that bit of a second and save your life, particularly with these smaller mouseguns, where sights are small and almost insignificant. Firearms with lasers etc, as good as they can be, still require that little extra bit of a second to not only have on but to focus in on your target--this is time that you cannot afford if a minisecond counts. In addition to this forum, defensive contains many articles under its tactics subcategory, and concealed and threat also contain point shoot info if you look for it. Many good tips on how to achieve a level of success with point shooting probably at that under 10 yds or so scenario (my limit) and I commend the start of this thread on this forum--looking forward to some of our "experts" participating. Everytime I target shoot I bring along the "mouser" or even the 38 for some point shooting.

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    Good stuff 5shot. Thanks. I was taught at close proximity to raise the gun to belt level, so, your upper arm would be aiming down to your elbow and forearm perpendicular pointing toward the target, and let er rip. Farther away, move aim and shoot. I'd rather take a second and land one good shot than send a flurry of lead who knows where.

    It's interesting that even with their training, none of the police remembered if they aimed or pointed. Stress effects us all I guess. I suspect our troops who fight every day are aware of exactly what methods they're employing since they do it almost every day.

    Very good read.
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    Northerns Georgia
    Close range is 5 yards and less.I do point shoot,sometimes with a gun in each hand.I cant break it down and tell how i am accurate,i just practice.Its instinct.
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    Hi Lonewolf,

    I am investing in the Center Axis Relock System Instructor program coming up in July.

    I've been researching self defense and firearm training that "work" in CQC combat situations regardless of civilian/leo/military use.

    Your accurate info on the "hit percentages" was pleasant to see and you should know those stats of being 18-20% hit accuracy are the NATION WIDE LEO stats!

    Pretty much quoted info straight from the CAR Manual and the primary reason why Paul Castle created the system.

    I spent a very short time as an LEO and look forward as an NRA Instructor, RSO, Self Defense Instructor and future CAR Instructor to teaching others how to WIN in CQC confrontations.

    The weaver stance(s) and isosceles stances are great for sport shooting where you have time and non-combatant targets to shoot at but in CQC confrontations when stress is high and you are only several feet away from an attacker its apparent that they are ineffective at helping TRAINED professionals to WIN.

    I'm sure there are many other forms of CQC firearm training but what I like is how it works well with a specific self defense (not martial arts or mma) program I will be basing my instructing on as well.

    We all need to remember to "train how we need to fight in order to fight how we trained"!

    I appreciate the competitive aspect of Sport Shooting for fun or professionally but I don't care about hitting a target 20+ yards away much less with a specifically designed "target pistol" and having one eye closed.

    In combat your bodies natural instinct will FORCE both eyes open, cause extreme increase in heart rate and ELIMINATING complex motor skills and we end up relying on basic primal INSTINCTIVE methods of self preservation.

    If you train for it than when you brain goes "oh s%$!" your instinct will kick in and do what you have been training in order to save your behind.

    To many LEO are missing 80-83% of the time in high stress REAL LIFE THREATENING confrontations...what makes Joe Citizen think he is going to do much better if his training is less and only based on shooting targets 20+ yards away.

    I fully expect to be the least experience guy at the course but a little "humility/humbleness" is worth learning not only how to save my own life but to be able to teach it to others as well!

    The course is $500 plus all expenses and your own gear or $1000 for all inclusive including room, board, ammo, gear, firearms etc.

    I'm putting my "poker bankroll" aside to do the $1000 option as I am confident that even adding another 3-4 NRA Instructor Certs are not going to give me the benefits that the CAR training will.

    I am happy to be NRA Certified but unfortunately the NRA does not teach this form of CQC training specifically (to my knowledge) and in fact many of the "old guard" in my neck of the woods frown upon the system.

    We all have to make life decisions and for me spending money on a course that makes sense to not only learn but to be able to teach others that has practical application in an actual self defense situation makes sense.

    Are there other course...yep. Are they better than what I believe C.A.R. will offer me...I honestly have to say nope.

    I will keep you guys posted and may even blog if I am not worn out...its a 5 day trainers course.


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