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    Here come the mall ninja medics!
    While bighousedoc come across as very arrogant he is absolutely correct. I can’t stress it enough maintain the airway, control the bleeding, treat for shock, maintain spinal immobilization and call EMS.

    And bighouse, just because you have license to practice medicine doesn’t mean you always get it right. I'll bet there's some 92W's over in the sandbox that could show you a thing or twp
    See, it's mumbo jumbo like that and skinny little lizards like you thinking they the last dragon that gives Kung Fu a bad name.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bighouse Doc View Post
    Here come the mall ninja medics!

    Minimal formal training, simply reading a book or watching Rambo sew himself, and now everyone is a "Field Surgeon."

    In most states you risk felony charges for playing Doc without a license. If you have an EMT certificate of some kind, you risk losing it, or worse, for exceeding your legal "Scope of Practice."

    If you USED to be a paramedic, and now run around with needles and IV bags, you are on thin ice too! Depending on your state laws, you too can become an instant felon! You might also be charged with some form of "Possession of Drug Paraphrenalia" too!

    Of course, once your victims's lawyers get through with you, you will be so poor that life in the "Bighouse" is about right for your budget!

    You can't become good at medicine just by reading books and watching videos! It takes much training.

    BTW, it isn't "Standard of Care" for trauma anywhere I know of unless it is formal ATLS certification. A FAR CRY from do it yourself "Become a Field Trauma Surgeon" by reading this mall ninja book!

    Kill someone with one of those insta-clot dressings find out what kind of hero you aren't!

    -Doc
    Take a valium and chill out.

    THEY MAY TAKE OUR LIVES BUT THEY'LL NEVER TAKE OUR FREEDOM!!!!!

  4. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by Treo View Post
    Start an I.V. on someone as a layman and let us know how that works out for you
    WTF are you talking about? I said you can buy them. Sign up and take a IV class and learn how to do it.

    THEY MAY TAKE OUR LIVES BUT THEY'LL NEVER TAKE OUR FREEDOM!!!!!

  5. #14
    Quote Originally Posted by S&WM&P40 View Post
    WTF are you talking about? I said you can buy them. Sign up and take a IV class and learn how to do it.
    Now why would you buy IV kits and run around with them? Because it looks cool? Impress the ladies with what a mall ninja you are?

    What criteria would you use to determine whether to start an IV or not? Would you dump a liter of something into someone only to discover they have CHF? WTF are you talking about doing?

    Does your state license you to do this? Are you a trained EMT within your scope of practice? Are you operating under a supervising physicians directions or standing orders?
    Just because you were a 92W in Iraq or Afghanistan or Vietnam, Republic of.. You go do that stuff on the streets of Stateside and find out just what kind of trouble you WILL get into when caught!You won't get admiration from the authorities for your jungle medicine skills. If you are lucky, all you will get is sued for everything you own in this life! THe cops will probably think you are a kook and take you for the ride.

    Hello everyone! You had better realize if you aren't licensed to provide care beyond Basic First Aid, you are in peril of legal disaster!

    -Doc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bighouse Doc View Post
    Now why would you buy IV kits and run around with them? Because it looks cool? Impress the ladies with what a mall ninja you are?

    What criteria would you use to determine whether to start an IV or not? Would you dump a liter of something into someone only to discover they have CHF? WTF are you talking about doing?

    Does your state license you to do this? Are you a trained EMT within your scope of practice? Are you operating under a supervising physicians directions or standing orders?
    Just because you were a 92W in Iraq or Afghanistan or Vietnam, Republic of.. You go do that stuff on the streets of Stateside and find out just what kind of trouble you WILL get into when caught!You won't get admiration from the authorities for your jungle medicine skills. If you are lucky, all you will get is sued for everything you own in this life! THe cops will probably think you are a kook and take you for the ride.

    Hello everyone! You had better realize if you aren't licensed to provide care beyond Basic First Aid, you are in peril of legal disaster!

    -Doc
    LOL,once again someone falls to read a comment before running off at the mouth. I stated they are for my own use, what the hell good does it do to stock pile, food,ammo,gas etc. If you can't take care of your medical needs when the **** hits the fan? We all know how well the EMS system works when a man made/natural disaster hits.

    Love how you can pull comments that had never been said out of thin air and claim they have been said, can you do the same thing with lotto numbers?

    I never once said I used any of my gear on the street, the only one who even talked about helping/using gear on others was the OP.

    What time is the surgery to remove that stick from your ass?

    On a side note, what the **** does it matter what I own? Does it affect you? No, ok then STFU. You remind me of those people on youtube who cry and whine if the reviewer did not safety check the firearm on camera. Again wtf does it matter if they do it on camera or not, it does not affect them if he/she shoots themselves? Is the bullet going to come through the camera/computer screen and hit them? No!

    THEY MAY TAKE OUR LIVES BUT THEY'LL NEVER TAKE OUR FREEDOM!!!!!

  7. #16
    Quote Originally Posted by Bighouse Doc View Post
    Now why would you buy IV kits and run around with them? Because it looks cool? Impress the ladies with what a mall ninja you are?

    What criteria would you use to determine whether to start an IV or not? Would you dump a liter of something into someone only to discover they have CHF? WTF are you talking about doing?

    Does your state license you to do this? Are you a trained EMT within your scope of practice? Are you operating under a supervising physicians directions or standing orders?
    Just because you were a 92W in Iraq or Afghanistan or Vietnam, Republic of.. You go do that stuff on the streets of Stateside and find out just what kind of trouble you WILL get into when caught!You won't get admiration from the authorities for your jungle medicine skills. If you are lucky, all you will get is sued for everything you own in this life! THe cops will probably think you are a kook and take you for the ride.

    Hello everyone! You had better realize if you aren't licensed to provide care beyond Basic First Aid, you are in peril of legal disaster!

    -Doc
    So your saying unless a person is a doctor or EMT, they have no place taking classes and getting medical training for BLS and ALS? Even the so called "basic" first aid kits are now starting to add more ALS gear to the "basic" kits(NPA's and OPA's.)

    Hell for that matter all EMT-B's are is basic first aid trained most they can give is an epipen, no airways or other ALS support.

    But your a Doctor(or so you claim, nice to claim things on the internet) that has been crowned king of the medical world, so you know best master.

    If I was in need of help and a 91W fresh from the sand boxes was around I would be glad to have them help me. 91W's are EMT-B trained+ some. Same goes for a Ex-paramedic.

    THEY MAY TAKE OUR LIVES BUT THEY'LL NEVER TAKE OUR FREEDOM!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by S&WM&P40 View Post
    So your saying unless a person is a doctor or EMT, they have no place taking classes and getting medical training for BLS and ALS? Even the so called "basic" first aid kits are now starting to add more ALS gear to the "basic" kits(NPA's and OPA's.)
    What's he is saying very clearly I might add is that unless you are licensed by your state and are acting w/in your scope of practice (IOW you can point to something in writing that gives you specific legal aurthority to take such action) if you start an IV on someone regardless of the circumstances you are very likely to go to jail for practicing medicine w/out a license. If you don't go to jail the person upon whom you start the IV is very likely to have his or her lawyers sue you into the poor house. Is that clear enough?




    Quote Originally Posted by S&WM&P40 View Post
    But your a Doctor(or so you claim, nice to claim things on the internet) that has been crowned king of the medical world, so you know best master.
    He's a Dr. he's too arrogant to be anything else ( Maybe an F-16 pilot)

    Quote Originally Posted by S&WM&P40 View Post
    If I was in need of help and a 91W fresh from the sand boxes was around I would be glad to have them help me. 91W's are EMT-B trained+ some. Same goes for a Ex-paramedic.
    I think it's 92W but it's been years since I got out. It was 91B when I was in. Actually when I went in 91A was a field medic, 91B was a field medic NCO and 91C was a LPN.

    Quote Originally Posted by S&WM&P40 View Post
    LOL,once again someone falls to read a comment before running off at the mouth. I stated they are for my own use, what the hell good does it do to stock pile, food,ammo,gas etc. If you can't take care of your medical needs when the **** hits the fan? We all know how well the EMS system works when a man made/natural disaster hits.
    Do you intend to start an IV on yourself?
    See, it's mumbo jumbo like that and skinny little lizards like you thinking they the last dragon that gives Kung Fu a bad name.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bighouse Doc View Post
    Hello everyone! You had better realize if you aren't licensed to provide care beyond Basic First Aid, you are in peril of legal disaster!
    -Doc
    Quote Originally Posted by Bighouse Doc View Post
    Hello everyone! You had better realize if you aren't licensed to provide care beyond Basic First Aid, you are in peril of legal disaster!
    -Doc
    Quote Originally Posted by Bighouse Doc View Post
    Hello everyone! You had better realize if you aren't licensed to provide care beyond Basic First Aid, you are in peril of legal disaster!
    -Doc
    Quote Originally Posted by Bighouse Doc View Post
    Hello everyone! You had better realize if you aren't licensed to provide care beyond Basic First Aid, you are in peril of legal disaster!
    -Doc
    Is there some part of the above that you don't understand?

    If you don't have real training and a license (or a registry card) you had better not so much as give an asprin
    to someone on the street. (the exception would be a suspected heart attack when so directed bt EMS).

    I was driving home from Ft. Carson one day and saw a MVA so I stopped and went to see what I could do to help there was some idiot in the back of the car manipulating the drivers neck I stuck my head in the window and said "Hey guy, I'm an EMT and you need to not be moving her head around like that" He loooked at me and said in the most arrogant voice I have ever heard "I am a PA student don't tell me what to do. " I turned around walked back over to my car and left. I haven't stopped for an MVA since
    See, it's mumbo jumbo like that and skinny little lizards like you thinking they the last dragon that gives Kung Fu a bad name.
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  10. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by Treo View Post
    Is there some part of the above that you don't understand?

    If you don't have real training and a license (or a registry card) you had better not so much as give an asprin
    to someone on the street. (the exception would be a suspected heart attack when so directed bt EMS).

    I was driving home from Ft. Carson one day and saw a MVA so I stopped and went to see what I could do to help there was some idiot in the back of the car manipulating the drivers neck I stuck my head in the window and said "Hey guy, I'm an EMT and you need to not be moving her head around like that" He loooked at me and said in the most arrogant voice I have ever heard "I am a PA student don't tell me what to do. " I turned around walked back over to my car and left. I haven't stopped for an MVA since
    Again, Point to a place that I stated using IV's and other ALS gear on people on the street? Can't find it because it was never said, As you will see in all of my posts I have stated my gear is for my use and the use of my family. Paging doctor stick in his ass, inserted all the crap about using it on the street and ninja crap.

    Kinda hard to give someone aid if your a ninja, their name to fame is stealth(as in never being seen.)

    As for starting an IV on myself, if I was going to die from blood loss(or a number of other reasons) then yes I would. Going to die anyways so what do you have to lose? I could always turn around and sue myself later!

    You get in a MVA and help is hours away and off duty EMT/EMT-P's drive by but under state law they are under no affirmative duty to rescue. So having the skills to save yourself medically is as important as carrying a firearm and having the skills to use it.

    THEY MAY TAKE OUR LIVES BUT THEY'LL NEVER TAKE OUR FREEDOM!!!!!

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    Hah! Just because you watched Rambo sew himself, you think you could access yourself while going into shock!

    Hahhahaha!

    MVA? Head injury? Serious hemorrhage? BP dropping, venous return on the wane, tunnel vision setting in and you are gonna really be able to get access to what is at best a difficult vein! ON YOURSELF?

    hahahahahaha!

    Most EMS providers are going to Intraosseous access because it's very difficult to get veins in those conditions! And you are gonna start a venous access on yourself?

    Hahaha!

    Thanks for the laugh S&W! I just worked twelve hours and really needed this one!

    -Doc

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