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    For Illinois instructors

    Reading the FAQ's on State Police website is quite confusing, and, in more than one area, it leaves credit for prior training, up to discretion of the instructor. Then, in the area of a DD214, it shows no discretion at all.

    Examples:

    One posted question: Any credit for hunter safety class? The answer was: No, there will be no credit for any hunter safety courses.

    Another posted question: What training has been approved for prior training credit? There was a list, first thing on that list was Illinois hunter safety (4 hours credit), then other state CCW's and NRA courses. Nothing was said about prior military.


    In another section, it quoted state law as saying "Active duty, reserve, and retired military (with honorable discharge) shall be considered to have completed 8 hours of training.

    How can you set up a class when the students require varying amounts of training?

    Say, you have 20 people sign up. Five of them have no prior training, five have a CCW from an approved state, five have a DD214, and five have both a DD214 and a CCW.

    I would fit in the last group (22 years military and Utah CCW). How much training, should I need?

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    The classes will be set up at 16 or 8 hours each in order to fulfill all the requirements with the accepted credits. The first 8 hrs consist of the basic firearms and safety requirements, etc In the second 8 hours the the applicable federal and state firearms and CCW laws are covered and the required qualification are completed. In your case you have 4 hours credit for your UT CCW and 8 hours credit for your military, but the maximum credit allowance is 8 hours. You'll have to attend the 8 hour class.

    http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/publ...F/098-0063.pdf
    http://www.isp.state.il.us/firearms/...ningCredit.pdf
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    I wouldn't give the military any credit at all, from what I've seen and heard of it. Nobody in the Navy, basically, or the Air Force other than MP's get any firearms training at ALL, and same might as well be true of the other branches, when it comes to handguns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thru View Post
    I wouldn't give the military any credit at all, from what I've seen and heard of it. Nobody in the Navy, basically, or the Air Force other than MP's get any firearms training at ALL, and same might as well be true of the other branches, when it comes to handguns.
    I agree with that, but the law is what it is. I do give discounts to military and veterans who attend my classes in MO though.
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    hell, cops get 40-50 hours of training, and they screw up all the time. Both I and many other A class shottists, have screwed up badly under mere match stress, at just the shooting part of things, after HUNDREDS of hours of practice and 10's of thousands of rds, and guys "think" that they will do well in a combat environment, with LESS training? RIGHT. :-) BLUFF, maybe, (and that works, about 90% of the time) but actually being able to "shoot them into the ground", use cover, light, movement, etc, etc. ? HA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thru View Post
    I wouldn't give the military any credit at all, from what I've seen and heard of it. Nobody in the Navy, basically, or the Air Force other than MP's get any firearms training at ALL, and same might as well be true of the other branches, when it comes to handguns.
    What about Air Force special ops, Navy Seals, combat squadron personnel, combat flight crews, and search and rescue personnel from both services?

    What about Navy Corpsmen assigned to Fleet Marine Force and Marine combat units.

    You apparently don't know much about either branch of service.

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    Quote Originally Posted by handye9 View Post
    What about Air Force special ops, Navy Seals, combat squadron personnel, combat flight crews, and search and rescue personnel from both services?

    What about Navy Corpsmen assigned to Fleet Marine Force and Marine combat units.

    You apparently don't know much about either branch of service.
    Those are the minority of the military and yes most of them are trained, but I certainly wouldn't put combat flight crews at near the same level the others are trained to. Of course applicants get credit for taking firearms safety courses also, so go figure.

    Reality is that the requiredCCW classes fulfill a statutory requirement, they don't prepare you for the fight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grizzerr View Post
    Those are the minority of the military and yes most of them are trained, but I certainly wouldn't put combat flight crews at near the same level the others are trained to. Of course applicants get credit for taking firearms safety courses also, so go figure.

    Reality is that the requiredCCW classes fulfill a statutory requirement, they don't prepare you for the fight.


    That is true. Nothing would prepare them for the fight. That's not what this thread is about.

    It's about the narrow mindedness and confusion caused by the legislators and folks who came up with those statutory requirements.

    The blanket statement that "Navy and Airforce should not get any credit, due to lesser amounts of training", is just as narrow minded.

    Anybody off the street, with zero experience, can take the 16 hours of training and apply for Illinois CCW. I see nothing wrong with someone who has already had (including Airforce and Navy) much more than 16 hours of similar training, to get credit for it.

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    You're right, that's not what the thread is about. I hope you got the info you needed to apply for your IL CCW.
    Stay frosty and keep training.

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    There is an "official" list on their website that I snagged a copy of as proof in case I ever arises. I've had a boatload of retired military contact me. I agree with handye9 that they will have more experience than many. I have separated out my classes into 8,12, and 16 hour classes and set the curriculum up so each can join as we progress. I do discount to active or retire military as I have many family members who are military and know what they went through.

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