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  1. #261
    Quote Originally Posted by ricbak View Post
    This message is hidden because Axeanda45 is on your ignore list.
    Thanks ric... I've been wondering how to do that! :)
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    Quote Originally Posted by JJFlash View Post
    You're right and I apologize. A moment of weakness.

    Here it is, nice and easy: Yeah, we have a natural, God-given right to self-protection/defense which is enshrined in the Constitution. Truly, you are correct in that this right cannot be taken from us, in the theoretical sense. Reality is such, however, that it HAS been taken from us and we're fighting to get it back. However, as I noted, it takes the votes of the sheep to do this. If you alienate the sheep by prancing about the park with an AK, what do you think their response is gonna be? You don't have to like it but that's the reality.

    I don't mind pushing the sheep a bit, maybe by what I consider more reasonable open carry. Let 'em see I'm a normal, law-abiding, friendly businessman who poses no threat to them. Now which scenario do you suppose goes farther in persuading the sheep: wearing a speedo and bandanna and carrying an AK thru the mall, or just projecting a "normal" demeanor, dressed appropriately while shopping quietly with my wife?

    Now, my reference is to legal carry. I'm as radical about my right to protect myself and my family as the next guy so you can draw your own conclusions about whether I have carried or would carry were the gov't tell me I could not. Personally, I would just as soon stay out of jail if I can manage it, so I prefer to make the sheep comfortable as we educate them through thoughtful means. You can scream and holler all you want about your rights, but a thinking person recognizes the situation for what it really is and uses appropriate methods to change it.

    My last post on this thread. If this rational argument doesn't persuade you, I give up.
    Finally!!!

    I concede, you win. You did this by speaking rationally, making good, reasonable comments and arguments, and not attacking anyone, bravo sir! I agree with all your post too. I thank you for the courtesy you showed .

    I too, am done with this particular thread.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Axeanda45 View Post
    I too, am done with this particular thread.
    Before you go, do you recognize these words?
    Quote Originally Posted by axeanda45
    That is incorrect, the Constitution is the final authority, not the supreme court. The second amendment says "Shall not be infringed" There is NO getting past that statement, period, the supreme court has been wrong before, are you going to go by everything they say, every time they say it? There are some things that positively cannot be disputed and explained away, no matter who is arguing it, be the supreme court or any other person/group. If the supreme court said that all guns are now outlawed and you have to turn them in, are they right?
    Quote Originally Posted by axeanda45
    So....... All of you are telling me you follow ALL LAWS 100% and never, ever break any of them? You are saying You would follow any and all laws that may come in the future? Regardless of how unconstitutional they are? Enjoy your slavery, as you have just proven you will never fight back.
    My line in the sand has been crossed many moons ago. ALL LAWS that have anything whatsoever to do with firearms are 100% UNCONSTITUTIONAL and I only obey the ones that I DECIDE to, not because they are the so called "law", but because they are merely inconveniences at the time, and not worth the trouble enough to have to kill someone and go to prison or be killed myself.
    I answered the original question truthfully,{deleted per TOS--CH** Can I die defending that constitution? Yes, but I will die a free man. Something to think about, If I am willing to die for something I took a non-expiring oath to defend, that means I will kill for it too. Can you say that? Or are you going to go back to hiding behind "its the law" and never stand up for yourself?
    Quote Originally Posted by axeanda45
    I have explained myself already, any law that does not line up with the Constitution is null and void.
    Can I get in trouble/arrested/killed over those false so-called laws? Yes, but that is how I choose to live my life, as a free man, a true American, an Actual Patriot.
    Quote Originally Posted by axeanda45
    I would not be breaking any laws that stand up to constitutional scrutiny. They would be the ones that would be in the wrong by trying to enforce unconstitutional laws. I took an oath to that same constitution, and it did not have an expiration date. It is way past time for the citizens of this country to stand up for themselves and say NO MORE!!!! Grow a pair people!
    Quote Originally Posted by axeanda45
    I follow laws that are unconstitutional when I have the desire to. When circumstances would be to my advantage and I agree to abide by them for my own purposes/convenience.
    When it comes to my own home/property, they can kiss my ............
    Quote Originally Posted by axeanda45
    Old enough to have been in/associated with the US military for close to 30 yrs of my adult life.
    Quote Originally Posted by axeanda45
    You get rugburn by not standing up for yourselves and following every little nuance of stupid, dangerous laws without question. Grow a pair and live like free Americans!

    You ALL have failed to consider the context of this series of posts, that is .... AT YOUR HOME. I cannot be "stopped" at my own home by someone who does not have my permission to be there. Anyone who comes onto my property IS TRESPASSING no matter if I tell them to leave or not, UNTIL I give them permission to be there. The ONLY exception to that is if an officer has a valid search warrant or follows a fleeing suspect. Private property is just that, private. It is NOT semi-public just because I havent fenced it off and put up signs.
    Quote Originally Posted by axeanda45
    Chip on my shoulder????? At least i dont have rugburns on my knees like it seems most of you do.
    The Founding Fathers would laugh in your face if you told them they had to tell a cop they were armed on their own property.
    What has happened to this country? All these people who have NO CLUE what they have lost. Makes me sad to think what is coming and how hardly anyone is left to fight for what is right.
    As for me, I will die a free man. {deleted-sabalo**

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    I wouldn't have painted the tip orange. But, I would carry it if I felt like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axeanda45 View Post
    "It is OUR complacency that has got us to where we are today, with such a negative attitude toward guns. We hide our guns from the public so as not to scare them. Our children can't even utter the word "gun" in some schools at the risk of being expelled. The more we try to play nice by their rules, the more restrictive their rules get. THAT is how the 2A could ultimately be repealed".
    ( I copied that from another thread on this forum )
    As the author of that quote, allow me to put it in the proper context. I posted that remark in the thread regarding the Cleveland Heights PD OC incident (I'm sure most everyone here is familiar). That person was carrying a holstered pistol on his hip, wearing normal "street attire". A far cry from an orange A-K, boots, camo, skull cap, etc. No one is arguing the legality in either case, so that plays no part in my opinion. In both incidents, the subject may or may not have been seeking confrontation. That too, to me, is irrelevant. The point of my statement that you have quoted is that by being complacent, WE (meaning the collective past 100 years or so of gun owners) are responsible for today's anti-gun mentality. As such, it is now incredibly frustrating to me that a fellow can't walk around in the park carrying an A-K without getting a second look, or walk down the street while OCing without being harassed by police who do not understand the laws they uphold.

    HOWEVER, that being said, I think this guy is a blooming idiot who certainly did nothing to help our cause. Even if everything he did was completely legal, it certainly did not win the minds of the on-the-fence crowd. Something a 2A activist must realize is that we have become this restricted over the course of 100 years or so. Scaring other park-goers and getting some face time at 5 o'clock sure as hell isn't going to reverse those restrictions. Furthermore, any time you expect (and even when you don't) to make the news, you have to keep the media spin in mind. Were the reporters inaccurate? Sure they were. Does it matter? Not really, because their label of a "sawed off, stock removed, altered assault weapon" is now stuck in the minds of the viewers. We DO need to at least be mindful of what the 'bimbo on the newscast" might say, because to the uninformed public, that bimbo speaks nothing but the truth. Not all publicity is good publicity. I liken it to a trucking company getting free TV advertising by being involved in a 10 vehicle pile-up. Sometimes there are just better ways of going about things.

    Something else I said in that same post is
    "I'm not saying we don't still need to be cordial and personable. By all means we must remain polite and non-belligerent. This is the way to inform the uninformed, and to promote 2A. I have actually thought about doing something like this (an "OC walk"), except that I would print out a pamphlet with a couple facts/ laws/ quotes/ stats/ etc. and take a walk around the city, OCing. Anyone who inquires would get a smile and a pamphlet and hopefully a nice 5-10 minute conversation."
    Perhaps he was not belligerent, but his demeanor did not paint him as cordial and personable. Again, it sickens me that ones appearance even matters, but it is what it is. Just as the left has stolen our rights from us one small step at a time, we must regain them in the same fashion. OC trash pick-ups and OC picnics are shown much more favorably in the news and are much more informative to the passing public.
    The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first. - Thomas Jefferson

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJFlash View Post
    OK, lemme make it real simple for you: you're a freakin' lamebrain if you don't realize that there are responsibilities that go along with rights. So, we have a responsibility to not cause undue dismay to the sheep, for a variety of reasons. The most paramount one is THEY MIGHT VOTE YOUR RIGHT TO CARRY OUT OF EXISTENCE. Plain enough? Sheesh...
    If they can "vote your right to carry out of existence" it wasn't a right, or they are way out of line and we are not a free country. At some point we have to stop bending over for the hoplophobes. I don't open carry even when in Idaho where it is perfectly legal for a variety of reasons the least of which is causing undue dismay to some moron.
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    I see multiple quotes Axeanda45 without comment. I'm not sure what the point is. I have seen few that I would disagree with. Perhaps those quoting need to explain what they are trying to say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kwikrnu View Post
    If I drive around town in a yellow ferrari and obey all the traffic laws am I trying to get arrested? Maybe there should be limits on how fast cars can go and how fast they look.
    Dam good point .. .. ..

    I was once asked if I had any loaded guns in my house ? I said: "YES"

    I was then asked if I expected trouble ? I said: "NO"

    I was then asked why I needed a loaded gun ? I said: "it useless if it's not loaded and I also have fire extinguishers in the house, they're loaded too, and I am not expecting a fire"

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    this is just plain dumb.. Paint the end of the barrell Orange to look like an airsoft, you are just pushing the limits... honestly, believe you are an anti firearm person, this is the kind of crap that The Brrady bunch folks would use this to undermine the 2nd Amendment. You have to be young and, One day you will grow up and realise what This Country is all about. I have countless friends that have lost there lives defending our Country, and you want to walk around like a Jackass and taunt the Police..And intimidate people who see you carying it. Yes thats your right, by law.. Nuff said....

  11. Quote Originally Posted by maybejim View Post
    I see multiple quotes Axeanda45 without comment. I'm not sure what the point is. I have seen few that I would disagree with. Perhaps those quoting need to explain what they are trying to say.
    Just information.

    Which do you disagree with?

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