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  1. #21
    I waited to weigh in on this because I am torn between two things. On the one hand I believe we need to take a stand for the 2nd Amendment and the gun in question is clearly legal. I have one myself. However I also believe we need to pick our battles. Most people will fall into 3 categories when it comes to firearms and the 2nd Amendment in particular. Most of us on this forum are very much pro gun, pro 2nd amendment. The opposite end of the spectrum are the extreme left that hate guns and would like to see them banned or those that would like to see our country a Marxist country and know to see that happen the sheeple need to be disarmed. That leaves those in the middle that are not sure what they believe and can perhaps be swayed one way or the other. My personally feeling is that this whole episode gives the liberal media more fodder to try and paint all gun owners as a bunch of kooks. Those in the middle are just apt to believe it.
    By faith Noah,being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear,prepared an ark to the saving of his house;by the which he condemned the world,and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith Heb.11:7

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    The problem here is this is not a second ammendment question. It is hiding behind the second ammendment to cover up what is really a first ammendment question.

    YES, under the second ammendment the poster has the right to keep and bear the weapon as the weapon is legal, and we are assuming he has the legal requirements to possess such a weapon.

    However, the question is not the weapon it is the use of it as "speech" that is in question. It is obvious to me, most posters here, and I believe law enforcement that dressing in camo and slinging this weapon on to go for a walk in the park is a deliberate attemt to draw attention. The poster himself has used the term "make his point" on several occasions so he has admitted the desire to draw the attention of authority.

    I will even defend his right to use the scenerio as speech. However, when he made the INTENTIONAL move to disguse the weapon as a toy by painting the barrel orange, an accepted identification device used by all airsoft makers and well known to gun people (it was discussed in my CCW training class), he crossed the line akin to yelling FIRE in a crowded theater.

    One has the right to make a statement, one has a responsibility to make that statement truthful and in a way that does not infringe on the rights of others.

    Although I fully support the right to keep and bear arms as it was placed into the constitution by the founders, that does not make it a "catch all" subject to any given individuals interpretation or implimentation of the right to their own definition regardless.

    I, for one, simply state that I do not feel this gentlemens actions fall under definition of the rights, both first and second ammendment in the way the founders intended

    To put it simply, I fully endorse and defend the constitution of the United States of America as presented, not necessarily anyones individual interpretation of that document for their own agenda.

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    Exclamation Well....Here we go...

    I do not agree with the fact that you painted a perfectly good gun to look like a toy. No more than I agree with people who paint toys to look like a real gun. I see where both you and the cop are coming from. I want to ask one thing? Have you ever looked at any of the active shooter situations that have come about in the past few years??? the AK and the SKS have been prevalent in many including the infamous LA/Hollywood bank robbery. Many cops fear the 7.62 x 39 Russian round because it tends to grease right through most dept. issued vests. The AK has always been considered a bad guy gun by most Police agencies because of the roll it has played in drive-by shootings and the demonization it has received at the hands of the media. Had you been carrying a NORMAL LOOKING weapon you probably would not have had any problems what so ever. I agree with the whole open carry thing I just would not have chosen your gun AT ALL! you sir have something missing in the whole responsible firearms ownership and use thing...A CLUE...GET ONE!

    I agree that you should be able to openly carry due to recent laws. The whole Idea is to be the good guy. Don't draw attention to yourself and don't make the cops wet down their leg when they see what you are packing. Why for the love of God why did you paint your AK orange? Not very tactically sound to say the least. It pretty much was a big neon sign that said come screw with me...I'm not too bright.

    The real victims here are the folks who you probably scared to death...you know the uberliberals who saw the dang thing while you hiked. I do find it amazingly funny that you were not charged with any misdemeanor crimes. Yes, I agree that technically you did nothing wrong but you also did nothing right. People should feel at ease with responsible gun owners and not be calling for backup while quietly getting you out of effective range. The fact that you have been kicked off a lot of boards (yes I noticed too) should be telling you something. Please learn from this and don't be stupid. The cops and the liberals can't take the stress of dealing with folks who draw attention to themselves in an adverse manner. I am glad that you are not a criminal but you are not helping the cause of those who carry responsibly. What if some legislator came up with the argument of what about the guy carrying the AK Machine Pistol" in the park. I know it is not...you know it is not but you cannot convince an uberliberal of that. You have just become the poster child for gun control and the Brady bunch because of your "stunt". We don't need the bad press. If you AK was in its original color scheme you probably would have had a lot less problems. The fact that you painted it to look like toy really has me guessing as to WHAT THE HELL WERE YOU THINKING?
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    I'm not looking to be "tactical". Open carry deters crime and I open carry.

  6. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by kwikrnu View Post
    I'm not looking to be "tactical". Open carry deters crime and I open carry.
    Or invites you to be the first one shot. If I were a BG with the idea of doing some damage and you were in the area walking around with an orange gun on I would not be deterred. I would just shoot you first.
    By faith Noah,being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear,prepared an ark to the saving of his house;by the which he condemned the world,and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith Heb.11:7

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    How often does it happen that regular people who open carry are victims of crime? Not cops or people in authority, just regular people?

  8. #27
    I'm going to ask a question that is not a "rights" question, but a common since one..
    WHY would you need to bring an AK to the park.. Are you expecting, anticipating, a foreign country assault in the park.. Is there a Armored car that drives through the park everyday about the time you are going to be there and you are afraid it will be robbed any you will be caught in the cross fire??

    Although you have the "right" I do not believe it is "reasonable" to bring an AK into a park.. You are not going to run into any situations in a park that would require that much firepower, or capacity.. IMHO..
    A 9mm or a .40/.45 is more than enough for a park to be within the realm of reason.

    Others have the right to "enjoy" the park with their children and don't need to be menaced by someone exercising their gun rights over the rest of the public's right to feel secure.

    Sometimes, just because you have a right, doesn't mean you should exercise it..

    Bad Gun owner.. No Doughnut for you... Who appointed you as the Gun Owner exercise poster child anyways??

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  9. Quote Originally Posted by HootmonSccy View Post
    I'm going to ask a question that is not a "rights" question, but a common since one..
    WHY would you need to bring an AK to the park.. Are you expecting, anticipating, a foreign country assault in the park..

    Although you have the "right" I do not believe it is "reasonable" to bring an AK into a park.. You are not going to run into any situations in a park that would require that much firepower, or capacity.. IMHO..
    A 9mm or a .40/.45 is more than enough for a park to be within the realm of reason.

    Sometimes, just because you have a right, doesn't mean you should exercise it..

    Bad Gun owner.. No Doughnut for you... Who appointed you as the Gun Owner exercise poster child??
    Are you being serious? Who made you the authority?
    If he wants to carry a muzzle loader, while wearing revolutionary style clothing and a pink bow, who are you question that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HootmonSccy View Post
    I'm going to ask a question that is not a "rights" question, but a common since one..
    WHY would you need to bring an AK to the park.. Are you expecting, anticipating, a foreign country assault in the park..

    Although you have the "right" I do not believe it is "reasonable" to bring an AK into a park.. You are not going to run into any situations in a park that would require that much firepower, or capacity.. IMHO..
    A 9mm or a .40/.45 is more than enough for a park to be within the realm of reason.

    Sometimes, just because you have a right, doesn't mean you should exercise it..

    Bad Gun owner.. No Doughnut for you... Who appointed you as the Gun Owner exercise poster child??
    Why not an AK? How do you know when or if or how many rounds I'll need to fire to defend myself? You can't tell the future and neither can I. Therefore, who are you to tell me what I may or may not carry as long as it is legal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HootmonSccy View Post
    I'm going to ask a question that is not a "rights" question, but a common since one..
    WHY would you need to bring an AK to the park.. Are you expecting, anticipating, a foreign country assault in the park.. Is there a Armored car that drives through the park everyday about the time you are going to be there and you are afraid it will be robbed any you will be caught in the cross fire??

    Although you have the "right" I do not believe it is "reasonable" to bring an AK into a park.. You are not going to run into any situations in a park that would require that much firepower, or capacity.. IMHO..
    A 9mm or a .40/.45 is more than enough for a park to be within the realm of reason.

    Others have the right to "enjoy" the park with their children and don't need to be menaced by someone exercising their gun rights over the rest of the public's right to feel secure.

    Sometimes, just because you have a right, doesn't mean you should exercise it..

    Bad Gun owner.. No Doughnut for you... Who appointed you as the Gun Owner exercise poster child anyways??
    Quite frankly if I "knew" about any of the possible "bad" scenarios you mentioned, I'd do my best to stay out of the area.

    Your post is treading on dangerous ground. Though I don't agree with the way that "kwikmu" went about exercising his rights for numerous reasons, he did nothing unlawful. It's unfortunate that some gun owners do this and due to his actions the rest of the gun owners may need to suffer the consequences.

    Using the "what's sensible" or "what's reasonable" argument sets a bad precedent. Some people feel that OC is being "unreasonable". If we all begin doing the "reasonable" thing, we may end up losing more than we already have.


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