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  1. #51
    The subject that was being discussed is resisting arrest.
    NOT what constitutes false arrest,
    NOT unlawful arrest...

    Why have you gone off on this tangent?
    You have now proven beyond a doubt that you have no clue.

    Do yourself and others reading this thread a favor..... read the ENTIRE THREAD, IN ORDER.......then you will see why I responded to that particular post you have such a hard-on over. Then make your statement, all you have done so far is show your ignorance by going off on a tangent about something you imagined in your head that you think I said, instead of actually reading it and comprehending the words.
    I have read the entire post start to finish.
    The subject was NOT resisting arrest.
    YOU interjected on this thread, and myself and others simply asked for clarification.
    " Why would you want to go along with the unlawful/false arrest if you have no other chance of justice?"
    Define unlawfull arrest... why was that an issue???

    Talk/posts of "you should alway's do what the nice officer say's" is only re-enforcing their false/illegal power

    DO NOT come at me with your greater than thou arrogance when I respond to things YOU posted in this thread.
    DO NOT presume you know me well enough to call me ignorant.
    DO NOT start throwing jabs and insults at me and others then get PO'd we put up with the arrogance.

    I was not picking a fight, I was asking you to please clarify your statements and then giving MY OPINION on the topic at hand as well as giving some of my background as to give you insight on my point of view.

    You did not make your point of view clear, therefore myself and others where simply questioning you so we would understand your comments.

    Now you have a choice to make, act like a butt nugget and keep screaming how you are the only one who reads the thread and you are the only one who knows anything. OR Accept a little questioning on your point of view, and possibly engage in some healthy debate.


    There's no excuse for bad manners
    - John Wayne
    Nuff said
    "Work Hard, Do Your Best, Keep Your Word, Never Get Too Big For Your Britches, Trust In God and Never Forget a Friend. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptAmerica View Post
    I have read the entire post start to finish.
    The subject was NOT resisting arrest.
    YOU interjected on this thread, and myself and others simply asked for clarification.
    " Why would you want to go along with the unlawful/false arrest if you have no other chance of justice?"
    Define unlawfull arrest... why was that an issue???

    Talk/posts of "you should alway's do what the nice officer say's" is only re-enforcing their false/illegal power

    DO NOT come at me with your greater than thou arrogance when I respond to things YOU posted in this thread.
    DO NOT presume you know me well enough to call me ignorant.
    DO NOT start throwing jabs and insults at me and others then get PO'd we put up with the arrogance.

    I was not picking a fight, I was asking you to please clarify your statements and then giving MY OPINION on the topic at hand as well as giving some of my background as to give you insight on my point of view.

    You did not make your point of view clear, therefore myself and others where simply questioning you so we would understand your comments.

    Now you have a choice to make, act like a butt nugget and keep screaming how you are the only one who reads the thread and you are the only one who knows anything. OR Accept a little questioning on your point of view, and possibly engage in some healthy debate.


    There's no excuse for bad manners
    - John Wayne
    Nuff said

    There you go again, deflecting and changing the subject., calling names........And Blaming me for your false ideas of what you THINK I SAID. I will entertain your "holier than though ********" no longer, I gave you more than enough chances to prove your allegations and all you do is make more of them. You are now on my ignore list, I will not see any more of your posts. Goodbye

  4. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by Axeanda45 View Post
    There you go again, deflecting and changing the subject., calling names........And Blaming me for your false ideas of what you THINK I SAID. I will entertain your "holier than though ********" no longer, I gave you more than enough chances to prove your allegations and all you do is make more of them. You are now on my ignore list, I will not see any more of your posts. Goodbye
    LMAO!!!!!!!!


    ok, ok I am sorry if I high jacked the the thread here.

    Honestly I think I am an open minded, was I 'deflecting and changing the subject?? I thought I WAS proving my allegations by supplying his quotes...

    Ahh... bye-bye
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  5. Well, I do have one more question...
    Quote Originally Posted by Axeanda45 View Post
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    Snip* Should the government order the confiscation of all arms, fine.Snip*

    That bolded area in the quote is what I was talking about, most all others aren't worth it.

    ...I am sorry if the above copy and paste of some of my posts isnt enough of an answer, I feel that they more than answer your question.......
    You say "most all others...", implying there are some others you'd use deadly force against LE to protect. What are these 'others'?

    Just trying to understand your position.

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    RussP,
    The quoted text said "Should the government order the confiscation of all arms"


    There are other ways the "Government" or their representatives (police, federal or local) can unlawfully try to take your guns away.
    Before you ask what I mean by "unlawfully", I will say this.... SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

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    You said this a few posts ago:
    In reading your other posts I understand you do not recognize lower court decisions and the resulting case law. You focus on unlawful/false arrest basing the "unlawful/false" on your rejection of those decisions and the case law. I believe you even reject some SCOTUS decisions you find inconvenient. And say you will use lethal force against those enforcing the laws you reject.

    I dont see where I implied or said anything of this sort at all, what caused you to come to this conclusion? The OP said that we can NEVER resist arrest lawfully, I proved him wrong, citing 1 SC case, and Texas Law/statutes, since he is in Texas. What other court cases and case law has been discussed on this thread?

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Axeanda45 View Post
    RussP,
    The quoted text said "Should the government order the confiscation of all arms"


    There are other ways the "Government" or their representatives (police, federal or local) can unlawfully try to take your guns away.
    Before you ask what I mean by "unlawfully", I will say this.... SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

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    You said this a few posts ago:
    In reading your other posts I understand you do not recognize lower court decisions and the resulting case law. You focus on unlawful/false arrest basing the "unlawful/false" on your rejection of those decisions and the case law. I believe you even reject some SCOTUS decisions you find inconvenient. And say you will use lethal force against those enforcing the laws you reject.

    I dont see where I implied or said anything of this sort at all, what caused you to come to this conclusion? The OP said that we can NEVER resist arrest lawfully, I proved him wrong, citing 1 SC case, and Texas Law/statutes, since he is in Texas. What other court cases and case law has been discussed on this thread?
    You do post on other forums, some I quoted here: http://www.usacarry.com/forums/leo-e...tml#post106559

    Going back to that other forum and this thread ( Ohioans For Concealed Carry Discussion Forums • View topic - Notify at home? ) here are more of your thoughts on courts and their rulings you feel are unconstitutional:
    ... ANY law about firearms is unconstitutional and I have no moral or legal obligation to adhere to them. I know there can be consequences to disobeying them, but that works both ways.
    Ever read unintended consequences?...

    ...ALL LAWS that have anything whatsoever to do with firearms are 100% UNCONSTITUTIONAL and I only obey the ones that I DECIDE to, not because they are the so called "law", but because they are merely inconveniences at the time, and not worth the trouble enough to have to kill someone and go to prison or be killed myself.

    I have explained myself already, any law that does not line up with the Constitution is null and void.

    That is incorrect, the Constitution is the final authority, not the supreme court.

    ANY LAW THAT CONTRADICTS THE CONSTITUTION IS NOT A BINDING LAW

    Sure, you can be arrested for it, found guilty of it, even killed for it, but that does NOT make it constitutional. Period, end of story.

    It does not change when some judges make it say something the original meaning/definition does not say. The constitution can only be changed by a Constitutional convention, and voted on (decided by) a majority of the States.

    The second amendment states in part.. "Shall Not be Infringed" That, to me, say's that NO law may be passed that has anything whatsoever to do with firearms. The States, in order to join the United States, agreed to the constitution as written. They are bound by that agreement, period.

    In my opinion (which is all that follows) Certain laws have gone way beyond what the constitution allows, regardless what judges or lawyers say.

    Again, I do not think I was doing this, and dont recall ever saying the SC IS violating the Second Amendment, I was trying to say that laws that have to do with firearms are unconstitutional and violate the Second Amendment. Could some of them maybe be binding from a Constitutional standpoint? In very few cases, I suppose there are some I could agree with, maybe ones about not allowing me to own grenades or something like that. But is a grenade a firearm? Lots of really gray areas we could discuss for hours, but that is away from the original topic.

    Are there some of those laws that I do actually agree with and follow? Yes.

    Are there other laws on the books that violate other parts of the constitution that I agree with/follow? Yes.

    Will I, personally, at my own home, as an OHIO CHL holder, notify a police officer that comes to my door without a warrant that I have a CHL and am presently armed? NO

    Am I telling/forcing others here to do the same as I would in that situation? NO

    Am I fully aware that this would break "the law" and am I ready to suffer whatever happens because I did not follow that particular law? Yes
    Those are just cut and pasted from that thread.

    True, in the last few entries you do admit you do follow other laws you deem unconstitutional and you do say you do not tell or force others to do as you do, and that is good.

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    RussP,

    This thread , the one you are reading now is the one we are discussing, NO OTHER! Mentioning posts from other threads and from other forums, where those you pasted here are from, like you did is extremely confusing to all who read the thread. Keep all posts in the correct thread and FORUM!!!!!

    If you have questions such as you posed to me, you could have asked me in a PM or started another thread. This thread is NOT the same subject as the thread you got those other quotes from. Yes, I wrote them, not saying I didnt at all, but they don't apply here in this thread, they are about different subjects/circumstances.
    Last edited by Axeanda45; 01-19-2010 at 05:03 PM. Reason: clarity

  9. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by Axeanda45 View Post
    RussP,

    This thread , the one you are reading now is the one we are discussing, NO OTHER! Mentioning posts from other threads, like you did saying I had said I would not follow certain laws and such, is extremely confusing to all who read the thread. Keep all posts in the correct thread!!!!!

    If you have questions such as you posed to me, you could have asked me in a PM or started another thread. This thread is NOT the same subject as the thread you got those other quotes from. Yes, I wrote them, not saying I didnt at all, but they don't apply here in this thread, they are about different subjects/circumstances.
    Touchy???

    As an outsider looking in, it seams to me RussP is still trying to understand the statements that were made in this thread by relating them to other statements.
    For what it's worth, I'm not confused at all... but what do I know???
    "Work Hard, Do Your Best, Keep Your Word, Never Get Too Big For Your Britches, Trust In God and Never Forget a Friend. "

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Axeanda45 View Post
    RussP,

    This thread , the one you are reading now is the one we are discussing, NO OTHER! Mentioning posts from other threads and from other forums, where those you pasted here are from, like you did is extremely confusing to all who read the thread. Keep all posts in the correct thread and FORUM!!!!!

    If you have questions such as you posed to me, you could have asked me in a PM or started another thread. This thread is NOT the same subject as the thread you got those other quotes from. Yes, I wrote them, not saying I didnt at all, but they don't apply here in this thread, they are about different subjects/circumstances.
    Are you God? A moderator? The OP?

    No?

    Cool. Let's start over.

    You have NO "right" to resist a lawful arrest.

    A lawful arrest is defined as an arrest made with good probable cause and with the minimum amount of force necessary to make the arrest.

    It doesn't matter "if you did it". It doesn't matter if you want to go to jail. It doesn't matter.

    And yes, the courts do decide what constitutes a "lawful arrest" and and "excessive force". You get to guess and hope you guess correctly.

    Quote Originally Posted by Axeanda45 View Post
    There are a few situations where the only choice for a free man/woman is to NOT obey unlawful orders from police. If you do not have those instances already figured out/decided upon before they happen..... May your chains rest lightly............

    Talk/posts of "you should alway's do what the nice officer say's" is only re-enforcing their false/illegal power and weakening ours, they are taking away our freedoms, and you that talk that way are helping them.
    Explain what "unlawful orders" you are referring to in the referenced post.

    Explain what "false/illegal power" you are referencing in the above post

    Hopefully these questions will be clear and explicit enough that you will not feel the need to sidestep them as you repeatedly have others throughout this thread.

  11. #60
    GREAT origional post. Thank you. Those of us who take on the responsibiity to CCW should be the most calm in every situation. If you have no control of your own behavior, cannot control your anger, fear, or response - think very hard about CCW.
    We all know this is no game of cowboys and indians - people can and do get killed by guns. Whatever an officer told me to do I would do it, I would keep my hands in plain sight and move slowly and deliberatly. This includes your behavior if - God forbid - you are ever involved in a shooting and officers arrive before you've laid your weapon down. Or even after. I would suggest to all to buy and read Massad Ayoob's book In the Gravest Extreme.
    Thank you again for the info - could save lives.

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