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  1. #11
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    Hey Anthony I Am: My first thought when I read your post is " why were you stopped a few times?" Not exactly the kind of experience in LEO interrractions that are something to put on your responsiblility resume.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Hat View Post
    The best thing to do is just follow the LEO's instructions. If he/she wants it unloaded chances are they will do it.
    I know if I were an LEO, I would want to unload the firearm myself. As an RSO, I've seen way to many people at the range who do NOT know how to properly handle their firearms.

    Combine lack of abilty and "nervousness" that comes from being stopped, I would NOT trust anyone but myself to unload a gun.

    BuT!! On the other hand;
    I've also seen quite a few LEO's that I would not trust to handle my firearm without my supervision.

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    "Officer, what do you want me to do?"

    When I posed this question to an officer after I had been stopped for a speed infraction and telling him I had my concealed carry permit and was armed, his response was "Just don't shoot me!" I chuckled and felt like everything was OK until he gave me a " 50 in a 35" which cost me $99. He said it could have been a 55 in a 35 but he was cutting me a break. That was my first and last ticket since being legally armed.
    What really bothered me about the whole incident, is that he flagged me after 5 cars passed by him and I was the first commercial vehicle coming up the hill and he chose me...
    The Iceman, Akron, Oh
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    I was asked to hand my loaded Glock across the front of the car (LEO came to passenger window) where my wife was sitting and with two kids (10 and 1) in the back seat. Supposedly, the trooper came from a local town and that was their protocol for handling traffic stops.

    I spoke to his supervisor after I got home and the supervisor said that the trooper was wrong. He also said that he knows what it takes to get a CWP and that we should be afforded the same respect as a fellow officer in terms of the handgun.

    I was stopped for speeding. I wasn't going excessively fast, wasn't driving in an unsafe manner, was in a Highlander Hybrid with current registration and tags, and had my good looking family in the car. It was in the middle of the day and this particular LEO handled the stop poorly.

    The thing is, I wanted it to go well and made sure to keep my hands on the steering wheel, gave him my license and CWP, told him I was armed and courteously handled the situation.

    However, next time I won't hand a loaded gun across the car and will ask for a supervisor or will have to be removed and cuffed instead because I'd rather that than a ND and my family paying the price.

    While not getting pulled over in the first place would be ideal I've already been through two 'random' traffic stops where they stop all cars on a certain road and check licenses and registrations. I didn't have a CWP so I didn't have to say anything about that.

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    Hey PaulIcemanMc: Sometimes you are the last car in a line of speeders that are easier pickings for the LEO. He can't stop all of you. My one and only speeding ticket was on a highway that I had just come on and was trying to get "in the flow" of the traffic, which, unfortunately was over the speed limit. Being the last one in line made me the first for the ticket. I doubt your commercial vehicle was his reasoning--but ya neva no

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelcarry View Post
    Hey PaulIcemanMc: Sometimes you are the last car in a line of speeders that are easier pickings for the LEO. He can't stop all of you. My one and only speeding ticket was on a highway that I had just come on and was trying to get "in the flow" of the traffic, which, unfortunately was over the speed limit. Being the last one in line made me the first for the ticket. I doubt your commercial vehicle was his reasoning--but ya neva no
    I would like to think that was the case, but it was around lunch time and a lot of traffic was going up the hill and there were other cars behind me. I asked him why he stopped me and he said not to worry about that..because I got you.
    The Iceman, Akron, Oh
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelcarry View Post
    Hey PaulIcemanMc: Sometimes you are the last car in a line of speeders that are easier pickings for the LEO. He can't stop all of you. My one and only speeding ticket was on a highway that I had just come on and was trying to get "in the flow" of the traffic, which, unfortunately was over the speed limit. Being the last one in line made me the first for the ticket. I doubt your commercial vehicle was his reasoning--but ya neva no
    Not totally true. Have seen 3-4 state troopers work an interstate where the cars they pull over are lined up and one or two are writing tickets. The line just keeps growing as they flag the speeding cars over. Not fun waiting for an hour just to get your ticket. Of course this was California and as everyone knows they live in their own "Republic".

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    Hey Chief Engineer: You are right about the "blitz". Here in Charleston, Berkeley County in SC they will do a "blitz" every so often with more than 3 or 4 LEOs. They even station LEOs on the bridges behind the middle island barricades with handhelds. As the IceMan said, he was not last in line, like I was, so who knows why he got picked. Bottom line regardless of reason--you violate you pay. Still pays to be nice and respectful. Have had an incident where I was exceeding but was trying to pass someone going too slow on a curve and was very upset because I usually do not speed; everyone ends up at the same traffic light whether you are going the 40MPH max or 55MPH. I did what I was told, I explained my story as best I could, I was upset and when the LEO came back to me he issued me a warning and told me to have a nice day.

  10. I had a stop back in January while driving the 3mi back home from the movies. The LEO asked me if I knew how fast I was going. I answered 42 (in a 45), which is the speed I really was going. I don't speed anymore ever since I received a ticket during my cross-country trip in Texas, and I definitely don't speed while carrying. Here in Jacksonville, the LEO's can only issue a ticket if you're going 5 or more over, so at the most I might be going a little over, which pisses off my friends, lol!

    Anyway, the LEO corrected me in saying I was going 65. I was just completely shocked because there was absolutely no way. I tried to explain to the officer that they may have stopped the wrong car, but he wouldn't have it. He also assured me that their equipment was calibrated earlier that day. Now I know RADAR theory, and I know all the different factors that can influence a doppler speed reading, but didn't want to make myself sound arrogant or cocky. I just restated that something must have been wrong because I don't speed. Anyway he wasn't having it, and went back to run my license.

    Now I'm not sure if in FL your status as a CCW holder comes up on the readout, but the LEO came back with a 180 degree attitude shift, told me to take it more slowly from now on, and wished me a good day. I wasn't carrying, because my license was sent back by the post office while I was on vacation, but I was a current CCW holder, and I wonder if the officer saw that and decided to cut me a break. Going 20 over (even though I wasn't), doesn't usually end up in a warning.

  11. I would put my windows down,turn off the vehicle and hold both hands upon the steering wheel. If the officer does not ask about the weapon and CCW,I would tell him/her where it is and how they would like to handle this. As with any traffic stop I would not argue or try to plead the case there. if you get cited . Choose Traffic school or get a Ticket attorney. Cops have bad days and get pissed off too. Generally if a driver obeys all the traffic laws they don't get stopped.

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